Toilet aficionados - this is for you!

**pajeff02** · 06-14-2010, 02:39 PM

I have always been one who hates to waste -- whether it be food, building materials, energy, or in this case... water. Upon coming home from vacation this weekend, I turned on our water valve and found that our downstairs toilet was inoperable. The internals all worked, but there simply wasn't any water flowing in to the tank.

A quick trip to Walmart and I was staring at a wall of plumbing fixtures. I soon spied my tried and true Fluidmaster 400A Anti Siphon Fill Valve, but as I reached for the box I noticed a newer model next to it on the shelf. It was the Fluidmaster 400LS Leak Sentry Fill Valve. Being a conservationist of sorts, I was immediately intrigued. For about $4 more, I could buy a valve that would prevent water waste by stopping the bowl from filling in the event the flapper leaked.

I bought the 400LS and installed the new valve yesterday. It is simply an amazing little device. Beneath the float is a cam that prevents the float from dropping unless the handle has been depressed to flush the toilet. The cam is attached by a short chain to the flush lever, as shown in this depiction: http://www.accentshopping.com/global...ages/400ls.jpg I tested the new fill valve several times and it works as advertised. Should the flapper leak, the tank will simply not re-fill, thus saving umpteen gallons of water. I highly recommend this valve to my fellow toilet enthusiasts.

**wheeliE-maxx** · 06-14-2010, 03:52 PM

goddam hippy

**1MileCrash** · 06-14-2010, 03:57 PM

kool. i had to fix my toilet earlier this year...leaky bolt seals on the tank. nothing else was bad so i didn't have to replace anything else...but what a pain in the ass taking that damned old ass thing apart.

**Smkn_TA** · 06-14-2010, 04:01 PM

Yeah, we have a toilet pre-dating low flow. So it's five gallons a flush. But...we pay a flat low monthly rate for water so who cares?

**Nhra Firebird** · 06-14-2010, 04:14 PM

a leaky toilet can waste 100,000 gallons per year.... Thats enough to fill my swimming pool 4 times.

**pajeff02** · 06-14-2010, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by wheeliE-maxx

goddam hippy

Wow. I am so far from "hippy" that I don't even know what to say. Just by coincidence though, I am wearing a tie-dye shirt at the moment.

**cammed goat** · 06-14-2010, 05:50 PM

I remember one morning I was getting ready for work and had to take a morning piss. I flushed and everything seemed peachy...until the water supply hose popped and water shot out of the wall and all over the floor. I turned off the water and headed to Home Cheapo for another hose. Came back home and installed new hose and all is good.

**pajeff02** · 06-14-2010, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by cammed goat

I remember one morning I was getting ready for work and had to take a morning piss. I flushed and everything seemed peachy...until the water supply hose popped and water shot out of the wall and all over the floor. I turned off the water and headed to Home Cheapo for another hose. Came back home and installed new hose and all is good.

Never had a toilet piss back at me.

**wheeliE-maxx** · 06-14-2010, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by pajeff02

Wow. I am so far from "hippy" that I don't even know what to say. Just by coincidence though, I am wearing a tie-dye shirt at the moment.

yoking

**cammed goat** · 06-14-2010, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by pajeff02

Never had a toilet piss back at me.

Yep. Just imagine being half asleep and taking a nice, relaxing morning pee and flushing the toilet...then "POP...GOOOOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!" Yah...that was a helluva morning alright.

**Zapper2003** · 06-14-2010, 06:40 PM

Here's one for ya, if you want the toilet to piss at everyone else...

Pull the bowl-wash hose out of the overflow tube, and if its long enough, just poke the end of it out under the lid of the tank, aimed at the patron. When the toilet is flushed, the hose will squirt said patron. Much fun.

**pajeff02** · 06-14-2010, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Zapper2003

Here's one for ya, if you want the toilet to piss at everyone else...

Pull the bowl-wash hose out of the overflow tube, and if its long enough, just poke the end of it out under the lid of the tank, aimed at the patron. When the toilet is flushed, the hose will squirt said patron. Much fun.

That's a great idea! I think I need to use the bathroom at my brother-in-law's house.

**cuervo25_1** · 06-14-2010, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by Zapper2003

Here's one for ya, if you want the toilet to piss at everyone else...

Pull the bowl-wash hose out of the overflow tube, and if its long enough, just poke the end of it out under the lid of the tank, aimed at the patron. When the toilet is flushed, the hose will squirt said patron. Much fun.

or in spaz's case under the seat to wash that stinking ass........wait that won't work, pretty sure he don't courtesy flush

**0rion** · 06-14-2010, 09:28 PM

wouldn't it be easier (and cheaper) to just replace the flapper if it leaks? If the flapper is leaking the tank is going to drain anyhow and will need to be refilled in order to flush so how is that saving water???

**blackSS01** · 06-14-2010, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by 0rion

wouldn't it be easier (and cheaper) to just replace the flapper if it leaks? If the flapper is leaking the tank is going to drain anyhow and will need to be refilled in order to flush so how is that saving water???

As a ex plumber

It saves money if your a lazy ass that won't fix the flapper and just let it leak and run, this just keeps it from re-filling all the damn time and wasting water. Hope that made sense

**0rion** · 06-14-2010, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by blackSS01

As a ex plumber

It saves money if your a lazy ass that won't fix the flapper and just let it leak and run, this just keeps it from re-filling all the damn time and wasting water. Hope that made sense

not really but I think I know what you're saying.....kinda. You're still wasting water with this miracle valve. Maybe not as much as if you didn't replace the $1.68 flapper but still wasting water.

**blackSS01** · 06-14-2010, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by 0rion

not really but I think I know what you're saying.....kinda. You're still wasting water with this miracle valve. Maybe not as much as if you didn't replace the $1.68 flapper but still wasting water.

Thats what I was trying to say

You will still waste a small amount

**SHines-IT** · 06-14-2010, 11:08 PM

Fuck the toilet, I shit out side and piss out side... See how much I care about this lovely green earth?

**pajeff02** · 06-15-2010, 02:44 AM

Originally Posted by 0rion

wouldn't it be easier (and cheaper) to just replace the flapper if it leaks? If the flapper is leaking the tank is going to drain anyhow and will need to be refilled in order to flush so how is that saving water???

It always seems like a flapper leak takes a while to discover. Our water does not stain the bowl, so we never get the tell tale stripe of a leaking flapper. Unless you hear the tank re-charge after leaking, it runs water. I also like the fact that this would technically prevent a catastrophic failure in the event a bolt seal let loose or an external leak developed (other than the inlet hose). You would get one tankful of water on the floor rather than eight hours worth of running water. I still say cheap insurance.

**Detroit Power** · 06-15-2010, 04:26 AM

Hmmm.....so the random "refilling" of the toilet for a few seconds is related to a leaky flapper?

Heck, we're in a rental and the sound annoys me more than anything. I need to head to home depot for some trimmer wire...may as well pick up a new flapper while I'm there.

woot.