Georgetown law students turn back to AG gonzales

[Modulistic]

fucking hilarious. Fuck Bush and his illegal spying on Americans, Fuck Gonzales and his constant dangling from Georges nutsack (saying that George Bush is the source of the law in America.)

and most of all, fuck yall, the people of ls1.com. just kidding.

Heres the story, for those that dont have an attention span of 5.2 seconds.
http://rense.com/general69/georgetwn.htm

[whoa guy]

eh who cares. u libby's make a big deal out of the whole wiretapping thing thats been going on for decades. hell, it goes back to at least the Carter admin. and you beloved Clinton used wiretaps. get over it... its never going away, move on and complain about something just as stupid.

edit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiretap

During the American Civil War, government officials under President Abraham Lincoln eavesdropped on telegraph conversations. Wiretapping has also been carried out under most Presidents, usually with a lawful warrant. Domestic wiretapping under the Clinton administration led to the capture of Aldrich Ames, a former Soviet spy in 1994. Robert F. Kennedy monitored the activity of Martin Luther King Jr. by wiretapping in 1966.

The most recent case of domestic wiretapping was discovered in December 2005. It aroused much controversy, after several people accused President George W. Bush of violating a specific federal statute (FISA) and the United States Constitution. The president argued his authorization was consistent with other federal statutes (AUMF), other provisions of the Constitution, and was necessary to keep America safe from terrorism, and could lead to the capture of notorious terrorists responsible for 9/11.


Next stupid liberal argument please...........

[THOMAS81Z]

yeah every prez has done it!!!! move on

[Jeep41]

Wow, the girls in my law school were MUCH hotter than that

[Modulistic]

and your beloved Clinton used wiretaps.

Just because the constitution was abused before doesnt make it ok to abuse it today.

[Modulistic]

Wow, the girls in my law school were MUCH hotter than that

congratulations.

[Modulistic]

yeah every prez has done it!!!! move on

Wiretapping is bad, ok. it should stop. We Americans are grown ups and can be trusted to use the phone without govt monitoring. thats called a police state, where you are under surveillance at all times.

why dont you move on... to communist china where this kind of thing is acceptable.

[whoa guy]

Just because the constitution was abused before doesnt make it ok to abuse it today.

Abused?!? Hmm.. im trying to understand your logic here. If wiretapping leads to criminals, terrorists, being brought to justice, how is that a bad thing? Like any of them will just surrender.

I feel alot more comfortable knowing that someone is actually trying to prevent bad ordeals from happening.. you libby's all act like your way of life is getting fucked with because the gov't is attempting to apprehend criminals.. they aren't out to get you. Y

You bitch about wiretapping when theres so much other shit you can see everyday like security cameras, police cameras, intersection cameras.. Dont they violate your privacy just as much OR even more-so as wiretapping??

Next stupid liberal subject please..........

[whoa guy]

Wiretapping is bad...mmmmmmk

So are criminals and terriorists.

[Modulistic]

You bitch about wiretapping when theres so much other shit you can see everyday like security cameras, police cameras, intersection cameras.. Dont they violate your privacy just as much OR even more-so as wiretapping??

Im against the cameras as well. gonzales wasnt up there promoting traffic cameras so im not bitching about that right now. understand?


whoaguy, taking everyone to jail and torturing them into confessing all their crimes would probably solve a lot of crimes and prevent a lot of crimes as well, but it wouldnt be american.

you should read history. anything that takes your freedom makes you less safe in the end.

[Modulistic]

So are criminals and terriorists.

so you say we dont know who the terrorists or criminals could be, right? so we have to spy on them. by that same logic, the spy could be a criminal or terrorist.

thats why we dont give people such powers.

[Modulistic]

oh, and im more conservative than you could ever hope to be.

[whoa guy]

As long as your not a criminal or terriorists, what the use in worrying about it then? Wiretapping wont compromise my daily comforts at all, neither yours. Its mainly in use for inbound-outbound calls to the mideast and for good reason, there are alot of scumbags wanting to see Americans dead living there.

Im place myself as a more libertarian than anything. I cant stand Washington and it should be plowed over... opps.. i think they just saw me write that.

[whoa guy]

so you say we dont know who the terrorists or criminals could be, right? so we have to spy on them. by that same logic, the spy could be a criminal or terrorist.

thats why we dont give people such powers.

I'm sure we have a pretty good grasp on who we're looking for.

I guess that child molester in that thread where the kids busted him on Myspace should be let go because "he was unknowingly being set-up" They "violated his right to privacy" This incident is NO different then wiretapping.

OH WAIT! i think the kids should have gotten a COURT ORDER before setting this seemingly innocent man up.

[Modulistic]

Bush: april 2004-
"Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires-a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so."

Bush 2006: I can wiretap whoever I want without FISA court approval.

hey look, I dont give a shit if its a suspect in jail talking to his lawyer in the mid east. quit wiretapping shit.

dont you get sick of sticking up for this complete retard in chief?

[Modulistic]

I'm sure we have a pretty good grasp on who we're looking for.

what does that have to do with the possibility that the person conducting the surveillance may be a terrorist or criminal.

[whoa guy]

Bush: april 2004-
"Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires-a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, [B]we're talking about getting a court order before we do so."

Read this: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/c...ment04/05.html

Warrantless ''National Security'' Electronic Surveillance .--In Katz v. United States,...

The question of the scope of the President's constitutional powers, if any, remains judicially unsettled. Congress has acted, however, providing for a special court to hear requests for warrants for electronic surveillance in foreign intelligence situations, and permitting the President to authorize warrantless surveillance to acquire foreign intelligence information provided that the communications to be monitored are exclusively between or among foreign powers and there is no substantial likelihood any ''United States person'' will be overheard.

The case contains a clear suggestion that the Court would approve a congressional provision for a different standard of probable cause in national security cases. ''We recognize that domestic security surveillance may involve different policy and practical considerations from the surveillance of 'ordinary crime.' The gathering of security intelligence is often long range and involves the interrelation of various sources and types of information. The exact targets of such surveillance may be more difficult to identify than in surveillance operations against many types of crimes specified in Title III. Often, too, the emphasis of domestic intelligence gathering is on the prevention of unlawful activity or the enhancement of the Government's preparedness for some future crisis or emergency. . . . Different standards may be compatible with the Fourth Amendment if they are reasonable both in relation to the legitimate need of Government for intelligence information and the protected rights of our citizens. For the warrant application may vary according to the governmental interest to be enforced and the nature of citizen rights deserving protection. . . . It may be that Congress, for example, would judge that the application and affidavit showing probable cause need not follow the exact requirements of Sec. 2518 but should allege other circumstances more appropriate to domestic security cases.

[whoa guy]

what does that have to do with the possibility that the person conducting the surveillance may be a terrorist or criminal.

Nothing really.. im still waiting for your response on the Myspace molester.

[Modulistic]

bush said he would seek court order to wiretap, and then he didnt. hes a liar, and retarded.

wiretapping is not american. period.


guess what, the supreme court once ruled that black people werent really people, and that decision was later deemed to be retarded and 1000 years behind the times.


the simple fact remains. the fourth amendment, part of the constitution, the supreme law of the land, declares that The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

its pretty clear.

[Modulistic]

Nothing really.. im still waiting for your response on the Myspace molester.

Fuck the myspace molester, youre trying to divert the topic to.. who knows where the fuck youre trying to direct it. Im still waiting for more excuses from you that wiretapping is wholesome and american, like apple pie and chevrolets.