650HP LT4 in a 1970 Camaro

***SMWS6TA*** · 11-06-2015, 09:08 AM

650-HP Corvette Z06 V-8 available as crate engine, previewed in 1970 Camaro | Fox News

**KahanaReef** · 11-06-2015, 10:02 PM

I want one

***SMWS6TA*** · 11-07-2015, 05:05 AM

So do I.....

**kingls1** · 11-07-2015, 07:58 AM

It is pretty cool but I'm thinking you could put together a boosted plant with more juice than that for less than 16G's. and with a top Mount super charger would probably eliminate it fitting in a 4th gen.

**5.0THIS** · 11-07-2015, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by kingls1

It is pretty cool but I'm thinking you could put together a boosted plant with more juice than that for less than 16G's. and with a top Mount super charger would probably eliminate it fitting in a 4th gen.

When you consider what someone would spend on a motor to make the same or more power, and who's buying those LT4 crate motors, it's easily worth the money to get a factory engine that has factory reliability, emissions, fuel economy, etc. All in a package that has perfect street manners.

And seriously, nobody is buying one of those motors to put in a damn 4th gen.

**GTP231** · 11-08-2015, 05:21 AM

I've seen a couple LT1 4th Gens with "top mount" super chargers

**kingls1** · 11-08-2015, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by 5.0THIS

When you consider what someone would spend on a motor to make the same or more power, and who's buying those LT4 crate motors, it's easily worth the money to get a factory engine that has factory reliability, emissions, fuel economy, etc. All in a package that has perfect street manners.

And seriously, nobody is buying one of those motors to put in a damn 4th gen.

Originally Posted by GTP231

I've seen a couple LT1 4th Gens with "top mount" super chargers

Just a opinion on cost of just the motor that needs lots more $ to make it work with any car, truck, or Rod and yes even a damm 4th gen seeing how most members on here have them unless it's the ones that have nothing anymore but know everything on every topic!!!

Hey Scott that motor is cool as shit and the 70 Camaro is even cooler seeing how that is my favorite car and if I had a unlimited budget and was building one I would love to have that plant in my car...But seeing how I'm just a regular working man and at least HAVE a car I will have to just settle for working with junk....Thanks for sharing the article.....
How was that!

**5.0THIS** · 11-08-2015, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by kingls1

Just a opinion on cost of just the motor that needs lots more $ to make it work with any car, truck, or Rod and yes even a damm 4th gen seeing how most members on here have them unless it's the ones that have nothing anymore but know everything on every topic!!!

Which is even more of a reason not to put that motor in a 4th gen that's worth less than even just the engine alone. And I just sold a 2002 TA a couple months back that I had for almost a year. It reminded me why I sold my last fourth gen. They're neat looking cars, and were fast in their day, but they're fucking junk otherwise. Let's be serious.

**kingls1** · 11-08-2015, 05:28 PM

Maybe yours was junk cause you don't know what the fuck your doing! so tell me what old restomod cars are worthy of a $20,000 dollar motor transplant that don't need completely worked over on every aspect? Don't be a idiot Detroit don't or hasn't until lately built cars that are capable of serious track times unless you are talking the Vette and the other $70,000+ cars out there. And who needs new engines for them!! You think a 70 Camaro was a stout set up. Like you said lets be serious. I've owned Older mustangs and a couple Camaro's and not one would hold a candle to my T/A stock on their best day and just recently did some work on a 600+H.P. ProCharged Vette that flat out gets down and could be bought for $28G's. So what are we putting this 650 hp motor in that would be a simple worth while platform that just needs a motor?

**5.0THIS** · 11-09-2015, 12:40 AM

Don't know what the fuck I was doing? I didn't build the car

I fixed a bunch of shit on it and sold it and made a few grand. Which is why I bought it. I know you and a lot of other people love their cars. And that's fine. Like I said, they're cool looking cars and offered decent performance for the price. Most of the people that have been on this site since those cars were around have since grown up and moved past those cars. I'm sorry you seem to be getting a bit wrapped up about this. What's funny is how much you're trying to talk shit to me because I'm telling it like it is with f bodies. I never said anything to you personally yet you feel the need to tell me I don't know what the fuck I'm doing and hat I know everything about the topic when all I said is people aren't buying that motor for a fourth gen car. And for the most part they're not. That crate motor doesn't fit the demographic that owns these cars anymore. They were horribly cheaply made cars by the way. The axles sucked. The build quality was terrible. The interior ergonomics were bad enough that they contributed greatly to the cars going away. People put those crate motors in classic cars, not newer ones. The 4th gen cars haven't really taken hold in the collector car market. I never see them on the road anymore. Most are beat to shit and have gotten cheap enough that the people buying them are trashing them or wrecking them. Put a 20g motor in a 4th gen and you just lost half the value of the engine. I've been to enough huge auctions to know jay buyers don't give a shit about modded fourth gens. Put that motor in a 69 camaro and you've got a 50g+ car and everyone will love it.

if you stopped and would have thought about it for a second I was agreeing with you that people building a fast fourth generation car would just build a cheaper motor to make as much or more power. That isn't the market for crate lt4s. If my opinion of fourth gen cars was something you didn't like, it's all good. My point was that most people that used to own them have moved on to more modern cars that are just better.

**Zinergy** · 11-09-2015, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by 5.0THIS

When you consider what someone would spend on a motor to make the same or more power, and who's buying those LT4 crate motors, it's easily worth the money to get a factory engine that has factory reliability, emissions, fuel economy, etc. All in a package that has perfect street manners.

And seriously, nobody is buying one of those motors to put in a damn 4th gen.

There are multiple engines you can get 650 crank hp out of for far less than 16k. As for reliability the LT4 will be hard to match, emissions(who gives a crap... it's a 1970) fuel economy depends on a lot of factors. But as you said the kind of people doing modern builds on classic cars are prepared to spend a lot in most cases to get exactly what they want.

**FasstChevys** · 11-09-2015, 12:45 PM

$1,000 dollar junkyard 5.3 out of an '06 Tahoe + Texas Speed heads + 76mm Precision turbo + a few other things = ~810 rwhp on e85, ~600 on 91 octane

Ask me how I know.

**GTP231** · 11-09-2015, 06:38 PM

But that would fit in a 4th Gen and cost less

**5.0THIS** · 11-09-2015, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by Zinergy

There are multiple engines you can get 650 crank hp out of for far less than 16k. As for reliability the LT4 will be hard to match, emissions(who gives a crap... it's a 1970) fuel economy depends on a lot of factors. But as you said the kind of people doing modern builds on classic cars are prepared to spend a lot in most cases to get exactly what they want.

Yeah the people paying 16 grand for that motor are paying for convenience. They know they're going to get all of the positive qualities mentioned above with no effort.

Originally Posted by FasstChevys

$1,000 dollar junkyard 5.3 out of an '06 Tahoe + Texas Speed heads + 76mm Precision turbo + a few other things = ~810 rwhp on e85, ~600 on 91 octane

Ask me how I know.

Lots of ways to skin that cat with GM LS engines.

Somebody just bolted a twin turbo kit to a new stock motor 5.0 mustang, did some mods to the auto trans, slicks and skinnies, and ran 9.0@157 (and made several passes to back up the time). stock fucking motor. holy shit.

**FasstChevys** · 11-10-2015, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by 5.0THIS

Lots of ways to skin that cat with GM LS engines.

Somebody just bolted a twin turbo kit to a new stock motor 5.0 mustang, did some mods to the auto trans, slicks and skinnies, and ran 9.0@157 (and made several passes to back up the time). stock fucking motor. holy shit.

For sure - I'm just here to confirm that it works.

**5.0THIS** · 11-10-2015, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by FasstChevys

For sure - I'm just here to confirm that it works.

What kind of vehicle did you put that setup in? And was it a stock shortblock holding that power?

**FasstChevys** · 11-10-2015, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by 5.0THIS

What kind of vehicle did you put that setup in? And was it a stock shortblock holding that power?

'68 Camaro - yes, it is a stock short block.

**Zinergy** · 11-10-2015, 11:29 AM

My neighbors good friend has a old Malibu with a very similar setup. Stock short block 5.3, 800whp. Smokes up my street all the time.

**kingls1** · 11-10-2015, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by FasstChevys

$1,000 dollar junkyard 5.3 out of an '06 Tahoe + Texas Speed heads + 76mm Precision turbo + a few other things = ~810 rwhp on e85, ~600 on 91 octane

Ask me how I know.

Been trying to convey your point many post ago but to no avail. Hot Rod did a test a few years back where they took a junk yard truck motor and bolted Twin 76's to it and tried their best to blow it apart and after 60 pull's and 26lbs of boost it put down 1,251 H.P. They run out of Dyno time so they pulled it apart to find out it was a 4.8L. The test was to see what the LS would take and why they like them so much. I understand that wouldn't work on the street for very long but 700-800 hp are very streetable and fairly inexpensive compared to a lot of what's offered above. Again it's a very cool motor just a little expensive.