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[Capster78]

Im probably going to have about 10 grand to blow once I get back from Korea. Id like to go FI with my 98 but I have concerns on how much the aluminum block can handle. Id like to go with the usual boltons.. Suspension, 12 bolt, Chromoly Driveshaft, Slicks and skinnies, Weight reduction... ect ect... Id like to also do a head/cam swap before I throw a supercherger on. Whats a good head/cam combo for an FI car? How much does it cost to build the bottom end and what parts should I go with? Will the block hold the power?

[GA Country Boy]

There are several ways to go faster. How fast you go and which method you use depends on how much you want to spend. The cheapest is Nitrous $600+, Heads/Cam $3,600+, Blower/Cam $9,200+, Dyno Tune $450, Roll Bar/Cage $1,400, 'Built' motor $10,000-$26,000 (but the sky's the limit). These are just some rough estimates to get you thinking in the right ballparks, but can vary greatly depending on what else you do at the time and exactly what parts you opt to go with. For example you can spend $1,500 or $4,000 on heads. I have a $550 nitrous kit that I have around $1,000 tied up in so far and haven't even installed it yet. LS1 blocks are pretty tough and capable of handling a lot of hp.
If you want to go fast be prepared to dig deep or get sponsors with deep pockets. The days of getting a Keith Black 1000 horse Hemi for $5,000 are long gone.
AND THANK YOU for what you and your brothers and sisters are doing for the rest of us. We appreciate you.

[Ed Blown Vert]

Well, if you plan on keep your block stock. Adding only a Procharger will get you about 450 rwhp. And should be fairly safe. Since the pistons usually hold up to 500 rwhp.

[GA Country Boy]

Well, if you plan on keep your block stock. Adding only a Procharger will get you about 450 rwhp. And should be fairly safe. Since the block usually hold up to 500 rwhp.

I truly hate to disagree with a fellow blower owner, BUT I will quote from "Chevy LS1/LS6 Performance" written by Christopher P. Endres: " When the LS1 arrived in 1997, its aluminum block and cylinder heads were big news. Performance enthusiasts were skeptical, however, regarding its ability to cope with increased power. These concerns have long since been put to rest, as the blocks have proven capable of withstanding in excess of 800 horsepower". Chapter 4, page 37, paragraph 1.

I have run in excess of 500rwhp (blower) for some time, currently 603rwhp (approx. 735hp flywheel) and have a friend who took his D-1 6-Speed C5 to 9.86 @ 142mph over two years ago which is around 800rwhp (blower and spray) approx. 900 hp flywheel. (He is currently running a C6 with over 1,000rwhp)

Other engine builders with similar experience:
Elite Autosport (612) 521-0550
Agostino Racing Engines (905) 420-9195
Ed Wright Automotive (918) 446-3019
Motorsport Technologies (281) 870-8787
LS1 Motorsports (812) 256-6400
Modern Day Muscle Cars (770) 855-9988

[Ed Blown Vert]

Opps, worded it wrong. The block can stand alot of HP, including the crank and heads.

What I meant was the pistons.

[GA Country Boy]

Opps, worded it wrong. The block can stand alot of HP, including the crank and heads.

What I meant was the pistons.

You have restored my faith in you!!!

[cailey37]

I truly hate to disagree with a fellow blower owner, BUT I will quote from "Chevy LS1/LS6 Performance" written by Christopher P. Endres: " When the LS1 arrived in 1997, its aluminum block and cylinder heads were big news. Performance enthusiasts were skeptical, however, regarding its ability to cope with increased power. These concerns have long since been put to rest, as the blocks have proven capable of withstanding in excess of 800 horsepower". Chapter 4, page 37, paragraph 1.

I have run in excess of 500rwhp (blower) for some time, currently 603rwhp (approx. 735hp flywheel) and have a friend who took his D-1 6-Speed C5 to 9.86 @ 142mph over two years ago which is around 800rwhp (blower and spray) approx. 900 hp flywheel. (He is currently running a C6 with over 1,000rwhp)

Other engine builders with similar experience:
Elite Autosport (612) 521-0550
Agostino Racing Engines (905) 420-9195
Ed Wright Automotive (918) 446-3019
Motorsport Technologies (281) 870-8787
LS1 Motorsports (812) 256-6400
Modern Day Muscle Cars (770) 855-9988

Well I hate to disagree with you....but the 97-98 LS1 blocks have thinner walls than the LS2 blocks......yea...they may make 1000hp but they will not last...that I assure you......I dont care what anyone says about that one.....when you start pushing those blocks over 500hp you are just on borrowed time......they were designed to safely handle around 500hp......anything over that and you're pushing your luck.....

[cailey37]

Im probably going to have about 10 grand to blow once I get back from Korea. Id like to go FI with my 98 but I have concerns on how much the aluminum block can handle. Id like to go with the usual boltons.. Suspension, 12 bolt, Chromoly Driveshaft, Slicks and skinnies, Weight reduction... ect ect... Id like to also do a head/cam swap before I throw a supercherger on. Whats a good head/cam combo for an FI car? How much does it cost to build the bottom end and what parts should I go with? Will the block hold the power?

First....decide what you want to do with the car....daily driver.....weekend warrior......flat out race car.........how much power basically is what I'm asking.......also, will you be doing the work yourself or having someone put the items on for you????? Didn't know if that $10K if just for parts or what.....

[GA Country Boy]

Well I hate to disagree with you....but the 97-98 LS1 blocks have thinner walls than the LS2 blocks......yea...they may make 1000hp but they will not last...that I assure you......I dont care what anyone says about that one.....when you start pushing those blocks over 500hp you are just on borrowed time......they were designed to safely handle around 500hp......anything over that and you're pushing your luck.....

Well since you "dont care what anyone says about that one.....", I guess there is really no point in talking to you. But you are just plain wrong when you say "when you start pushing those blocks over 500hp you are just on borrowed
time". Just exactly WHAT do you base your opinion on? You mentioned the 97-98 LS1 blocks "have thinner walls than the LS2 blocks", were we comparing the LS1-LS2? And what about the 99-04 LS1 blocks? Also WHICH specific walls were you referring to and what are the specs of those walls?

[cailey37]

Well since you "dont care what anyone says about that one.....", I guess there is really no point in talking to you. But you are just plain wrong when you say "when you start pushing those blocks over 500hp you are just on borrowed
time". Just exactly WHAT do you base your opinion on? You mentioned the 97-98 LS1 blocks "have thinner walls than the LS2 blocks", were we comparing the LS1-LS2? And what about the 99-04 LS1 blocks? Also WHICH specific walls were you referring to and what are the specs of those walls?

I've seen way too many people get on here and claim they can push a stock bottom end LS1 over 500hp.....yes it's true.....but....you will give up reliability....anyone that builds engines will tell you that! I tore apart my old 98 block and compared it to the LS2 block I put in.....if you like I'll get the exact measurments for you.....Have you built any LS motors?????? I've built a few........enough to know that you can't always believe what you hear.....I just dont want to see the guy throw 10K into a motor because he listened to these "internet Geniuses" who get on here and want to tell everyone how they can build such great power out of these motors and forget to mention the rest.....so YES...you can get 500, 600, even 1000hp out of a stock bottom end but it will not last as long as you think.....if you're ever in Florida...stop by...I'll show you what happens to a stock motor when you push it too many times.....I base my experiences on real life and what I've seen these motors do....

[GA Country Boy]

I've seen way too many people get on here and claim they can push a stock bottom end LS1 over 500hp.....yes it's true.....but....you will give up reliability....anyone that builds engines will tell you that! I tore apart my old 98 block and compared it to the LS2 block I put in.....if you like I'll get the exact measurments for you.....Have you built any LS motors?????? I've built a few........enough to know that you can't always believe what you hear.....I just dont want to see the guy throw 10K into a motor because he listened to these "internet Geniuses" who get on here and want to tell everyone how they can build such great power out of these motors and forget to mention the rest.....so YES...you can get 500, 600, even 1000hp out of a stock bottom end but it will not last as long as you think.....if you're ever in Florida...stop by...I'll show you what happens to a stock motor when you push it too many times.....I base my experiences on real life and what I've seen these motors do....

That's exactly why I backed up MY "opinion" with a published reference and the contact numbers for some of the leading LS1 performance engine builders in this country and Canada. So there is a list people can check and see if "anybody that builds engines" will agree with you that a LS1 engine producing over 500rwhp is on "borrowed time". I still don't know what this thread has to do with LS2 engines that you insist on comparing to. Maybe you're on the wrong forum (LS2?).

BTW, how do you know how long I think a LS1 is going to last? (YOU said " it will not last as long as you think....."). Don't tell me that besides being an expert engine builder you're a mind reader too!!

No offence meant, but I am open minded and do care what other people say (unlike you) and will take the word of published material and the experience of a large number of the best engine builders before I will listen to some "internet Genius" I've never heard of (you) and I have supplied the references, names and phone numbers to back up what I say. The only reason that I am taking the time to respond to you, is because I don't think it's doing anybody a favor to give people erroneus advice. The LS1 is a great engine and as I quoted previously from Mr. Endres' book " the blocks have proven capable of withstanding in excess of 800 horsepower". Chapter 4, page 37, paragraph 1. People new to mods are often afraid any change is going to demolish their motor (like blowers, or nitrous) and they don't need to be told their engines are weaker than they really are.

[cailey37]

That's exactly why I backed up MY "opinion" with a published reference and the contact numbers for some of the leading LS1 performance engine builders in this country and Canada. So there is a list people can check and see if "anybody that builds engines" will agree with you that a LS1 engine producing over 500rwhp is on "borrowed time". I still don't know what this thread has to do with LS2 engines that you insist on comparing to. Maybe you're on the wrong forum (LS2?).

BTW, how do you know how long I think a LS1 is going to last? (YOU said " it will not last as long as you think....."). Don't tell me that besides being an expert engine builder you're a mind reader too!!

No offence meant, but I am open minded and do care what other people say (unlike you) and will take the word of published material and the experience of a large number of the best engine builders before I will listen to some "internet Genius" I've never heard of (you) and I have supplied the references, names and phone numbers to back up what I say. The only reason that I am taking the time to respond to you, is because I don't think it's doing anybody a favor to give people erroneus advice. The LS1 is a great engine and as I quoted previously from Mr. Endres' book " the blocks have proven capable of withstanding in excess of 800 horsepower". Chapter 4, page 37, paragraph 1. People new to mods are often afraid any change is going to demolish their motor (like blowers, or nitrous) and they don't need to be told their engines are weaker than they really are.

Ok....instead of arguing with you about all this I'll just say.....it's your motor....run it...build it.....do anything you want to with it.......

I've read that book......and like anything you read you have to take into consideration it's that guys opinion. I'm not saying that a LS1 can't make 800hp....I'm saying it's not going to last long if you push it to that. It's just not going to happen! When you exceed the limits of the stock crankshaft, pistons, rods, and such it's just a matter of time before something breaks! I will bet you ANY amount of money you can't show me a 800hp LS1 with stock internals and make it last for 100K miles! It's just not going to happen. I just put well over $30K into my car but I dont think it will last that long! And I have the best of everything in that motor! But I know how I drive it and I know that regardless of the quality of the parts it's just a matter of time! Have you even built a motor? This has nothing to do with being open minded. I listen to what anyone has to say but I've been around long enough to know the limits of a small block motor. I've got a treasure trove of reading materials at the house that I read to know ones opinion. But, I've also built the motors and seen what they can do. Correct me if I'm wrong but this is the Forced Induction section.....is your car even forced induction??? I've built enough turbo cars to know for myself what's good and not good. I dont claim to be an expert either. But, I'm not going to sit there and listen to someone tell another person that you can push a motor that much without telling the flip side of the story. That's just my point. The guy wanted to know how to spend $10K.....I think if I were going to put that much into something I'd want to know the pro's and cons dont you.

[GA Country Boy]

calley37 wrote:"I will bet you ANY amount of money you can't show me a 800hp LS1 with stock internals and make it last for 100K miles! It's just not going to happen."

NOW you've gone from talking about LS1's putting out 500rwhp living on "borrowed time" to betting me on an 800 hp LS1 WITH STOCK INTERNALS lasting 100k miles? AND would you like it run at 10,000 RPM's too? AND perhaps with NO OIL? You are getting more rediculous all the time. AND YES I do have a blown LS1 like I said in my original post "I have run in excess of 500rwhp (blower) for some time, currently 603rwhp (approx. 735hp flywheel)".

BTW, YOU said "But, I'm not going to sit there and listen to someone tell another person that you can push a motor that much without telling the flip side". Could you point out to me WHERE I told the initiator of this thread how much they "can push a motor"?

[cailey37]

calley37 wrote:"I will bet you ANY amount of money you can't show me a 800hp LS1 with stock internals and make it last for 100K miles! It's just not going to happen."

NOW you've gone from talking about LS1's putting out 500rwhp living on "borrowed time" to betting me on an 800 hp LS1 WITH STOCK INTERNALS lasting 100k miles? AND would you like it run at 10,000 RPM's too? AND perhaps with NO OIL? You are getting more rediculous all the time. AND YES I do have a blown LS1 like I said in my original post "I have run in excess of 500rwhp (blower) for some time, currently 603rwhp (approx. 735hp flywheel)".

BTW, YOU said "But, I'm not going to sit there and listen to someone tell another person that you can push a motor that much without telling the flip side". Could you point out to me WHERE I told the initiator of this thread how much they "can push a motor"?

I'm getting more rediculous....you're kidding right....any time you'd like to compare engine knowledge you let me know.......I assure you....if you have stock internals and running that kind of HP you'll be buying another motor before long.......if I actually thought you knew anything about metal composition I'd break it down to you and show you what happens when you push a motor like that......it comes down to the metal construction....the heat generated by the motor....the continual heat cycling of the metal......it causes fatigue in the metal..........thats why you have forged pieces out on the market.......it's just a fact.....now if you insist on acting childish about this go on......no where did I say run it without oil....push it to 10,000rpm....geez.....give me a break! I've probably forgotten more about motors than you know. When it comes to forced induction I'm quite certain I know what I'm talking about here........

[GA Country Boy]

I'm getting more rediculous....you're kidding right....any time you'd like to compare engine knowledge you let me know.......I assure you....if you have stock internals and running that kind of HP you'll be buying another motor before long.......if I actually thought you knew anything about metal composition I'd break it down to you and show you what happens when you push a motor like that......it comes down to the metal construction....the heat generated by the motor....the continual heat cycling of the metal......it causes fatigue in the metal..........thats why you have forged pieces out on the market.......it's just a fact.....now if you insist on acting childish about this go on......no where did I say run it without oil....push it to 10,000rpm....geez.....give me a break! I've probably forgotten more about motors than you know. When it comes to forced induction I'm quite certain I know what I'm talking about here........

Okay YOU win! YOU believe you're more knowledgeable than me and that you are certain you know what you are talking about which is a good thing, because you keep changing the subject every post you make and still have not backed up anything you have said. YOU could tell us WHAT parts you spent $30,000 on when you personally built your motor. THAT would be something worth reading. BUT as to the forgotten more than I know stuff,
I had qualified for (and received) my International (FIA) Racing Licence while you were still a toddler (1974).

[cailey37]

I had qualified for (and received) my International (FIA) Racing Licence while you were still a toddler (1974).

Good for you!!!! YEA!!!!! Any time you'd like to know what's in my car let me know...you have a personall invite to come to Florida to find out......and since you're in Georgia it's not that far of a trip........arguing with people like you isn't worth my time.

[GA Country Boy]

Good for you!!!! YEA!!!!! Any time you'd like to know what's in my car let me know...you have a personall invite to come to Florida to find out......and since you're in Georgia it's not that far of a trip........arguing with people like you isn't worth my time.

Okay. What's your address?

[cailey37]

I'm in Panama City.....

[GA Country Boy]

I'm in Panama City.....

I'll need something more specific than that. Name? Address?
And I will be glad to come down and pay you a visit.

[cailey37]

I'll need something more specific than that. Name? Address?
And I will be glad to come down and pay you a visit.

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