best supercharger/procharger for...

[ram air ws6]

What's the best supercharger/procharger for a daily driven ls1. I have a 2002 ws6. Mods. are lid, k-n-N air filter, LT's, ORY-P, no cats, magnaflow exhaust, ls1 edit, cutout. I'm lookinf for something reliable that will also give me a lot of power throughout the rpm band. Thanks

[Tman]

I run a Vortech V9 Gtrim with aftercooler. Been very happy with it so far.

[Ed Blown Vert]

A Procharger would work. Check with Bob from EPP.

[JAMES RODRIGUEZ]

Procharger P1SC or D1SC will get the job done.

[Joel Nicewander]

Got a D1SC and am estatic about the performance.
(Sounds nice too.)

[BowTied]

I'm looking at the P1SC and the D1SC.

By the numbers Procharger gives, the P1SC is a hair better in the bang for buck dept.
The D1SC gives more HP of course.

Anyone know the change in gas mileage with a charger?

[Ed Blown Vert]

Just get the D1. I only bought the P1 because I have to deal with smog. And the P1 has a CARB number.

As for gas mileage, it will go down because your foot will be in it all the time.

If you keep your foot out of it. Mileage will stay close to the same.

[Rajun151]

ProCharger P-1SC-1 all the way... Best bang for the buck.. Been driving with ProCharger for over 40K on my 02 WS6 T/A. No problems.. excellent performance.. Running over 500 HP at the rear.. Gets great gas mileage when I'm not getting into it.
Make sure you upgrade your injectors and if you really like to drag a lot then I would go with a 12 bolt rear.. And find a good programmer / tuner to make it all work right. I get 27 MPG on the freeway doing around 70 MPH.. Not bad..

[Ed Blown Vert]

Not as pretty

[BowTied]

Good tuning for sure, I'd take it to F-Body in Charlotte...just a few miles away. (I'm an EE and have done some programming...so I'd eventually like to get some equipment that would allow me to control and tune the whole system.)

Ed,
I don't care about pretty where the power is supposed to be! I figure it's the wheel's job to be shiny!

1 thought I can't get out of my head...how the Hell can you hope to hook 500HP. I'm not more than 10 or 15HP over stock...and I'm still chirping going into 3rd at about 80mph. I have 275/40's on Z06 rims right now.

[BIG D's SS]

Damn That Vortec looks sweet as hell. Ed where is yours at down underneath?

[Ed Blown Vert]

Good tuning for sure, I'd take it to F-Body in Charlotte...just a few miles away. (I'm an EE and have done some programming...so I'd eventually like to get some equipment that would allow me to control and tune the whole system.)

Ed,
I don't care about pretty where the power is supposed to be! I figure it's the wheel's job to be shiny!

1 thought I can't get out of my head...how the Hell can you hope to hook 500HP. I'm not more than 10 or 15HP over stock...and I'm still chirping going into 3rd at about 80mph. I have 275/40's on Z06 rims right now.

I have to run ET Streets at the track to get hook at all. And I cannot spray out of the hole.

On the street I only run Nittos. And even with them I have to be careful. I can easily light them up at 40 mph.

[Ed Blown Vert]

Damn That Vortec looks sweet as hell. Ed where is yours at down underneath?

Yup, just in front of the alternator.

[Exotic Performance Plus]

Good tuning for sure, I'd take it to F-Body in Charlotte...just a few miles away. (I'm an EE and have done some programming...so I'd eventually like to get some equipment that would allow me to control and tune the whole system.)

Ed,
I don't care about pretty where the power is supposed to be! I figure it's the wheel's job to be shiny!

1 thought I can't get out of my head...how the Hell can you hope to hook 500HP. I'm not more than 10 or 15HP over stock...and I'm still chirping going into 3rd at about 80mph. I have 275/40's on Z06 rims right now.

Here is a list I compiled together for building an F Body into a very quick car


Here is a list of items that I recently put together for building up the chassis prior to adding the horsepower. People are always asking the question of whether to go with a head and cam package, or go with a supercharger or turbocharger. There is no way you are to match the power of an ATI ProCharger with a head and cam package unless you use a pretty radical camshaft. Nitrous oxide could be used instead of going the forced induction route, with very good results at a fraction of the cost. A cold air kit would be required if you elect to use nitrous oxide instead of going the forced induction (ATI ProCharger) route. The ATI ProChargers come with a K&N cone filter. With forced induction, such as the ATI ProCharger, the power is always going to be there when you want it, with no nitrous bottles to constantly refill. A turbocharger could be used instead of an ATI ProCharger, but I am not convinced that the turbo kits currently out on the market will stand the test of time. TurboChargers go through extreme heat cycles, which can fracture the turbo housing mounts.
With the items listed below, your car would be quite capable of routinely running low eleven second 1/4 mile times, or faster, when combined with the M/T Street radial rear tires.

Everyone has their opinions on what is the best package, and here is mine.

1. Subframe Connectors - Absolutely necessary to keep your F Body from twisting and stretching. I have seen too many of these cars lose their door to fender gaps from having gone too long without subframe connectors. Subframe connectors will make the car handle better, you'll get fewer squeaks and the car will get better traction.

2. Torque Arm - BMR, Global West and Spohn all make torque arms that relocate the front mount off of the transmission by relocating the front mount back behind the transmission. The relocation of the front mount relieves the stress from the tailshaft of the transmission that the torque arm places on it, as a result of trying to contain the rear-end and it's rotational stresses. The stock torque arm is a stamped piece of sheetmetal that has broken apart for many people, and it sometimes takes out the driveshaft with it when it goes. By relocating the front mount of the torque arm behind the transmission, the geometry of the rear suspension becomes much better and really aids in hooking up the rear suspension. While replacing the torque arm, check the transmission mount, as the stock torque arm places a huge load on the mount, and the mount breaks quite often when using the factory torque arm. The adjustability of these aftermarket torque arms allows the user to adjust the pinion angle of the rear suspension which aids in finding traction.

3. Moser 12 bolt - Sooner or later the weak 7.5" Chevy S-10 derived 10 bolt is going to break. I wouldn't waste any money into attempting to build up the 10 bolt, it just doesn't work. There isn't one strong point to the stocker. For those of you with a six speed transmission, the 10 bolt has broken on many M6 cars with stock power. Expect the worse to happen... 3:73 gears in the Moser rear-end is a good compromise, especially when adding a lot of power to the engine.

4. Driveshaft - The stock GM driveshaft have broken for many enthusiast, both the steel and the 3.0" aluminum GM driveshafts are fairly weak. I recommend an aftermarket 3.5" aluminum driveshaft with a 1350 Yoke with a 1350 U Joint. Combined with the Moser 12 bolt with their supplied 1350 yoke, you will have a strong drivetrain.

5. Clutch and pressure plate - I recommend the Spec Stage 3 clutch and pressure plate. Expect some chatter for the first 500 miles, then it will be pretty smooth. I would also add the '01-'02 slave cylinder for the older models, and do the "drill mod" to the master cylinder. Do a search on this forum for the drill mod, and you will see what it entails.

At this point I believe the suspension is capable off supporting a lot of horsepower, and you can go straight to item 14.
For those of you who are dragstrip bound, I would also add a few additional items.

6. Adjustable lower control arms - The aftermarket lower control arms are much stouter, and will not flex like the factory lower control arms. Going with adjustable ones will allow the user to center the rear end in the wheelwell. The stock rear end position from the factory tends to be .5" towards the rear of the car. You really won't notice it until larger diameter tires are installed.

7. Lower control arm relocation brackets - Lower control arm relocation brackets are meant to be used when the car has been lowered, which alters the angle of the lower control arms. We have found that the relocation brackets also help in getting traction in non lowered cars. We use the weld on style that BMR offers.

8. Panhard bar - The factory pan hard bar is pretty flimsy and additional traction can be found by replacing the factory pan hard bar with a heavier duty aftermarket bar. The rear in these cars tends to sit closer to the right side, and by purchasing an adjustable pan hard bar, the rear-end can be centered in the body.

9. Strut Tower Brace - Eliminate flexing in the front end by adding an aftermarket strut tower brace. You will also notice that the car will handle better with a strut tower brace.

10. Battery box relocation - By relocating the battery to the trunk, you will remove a lot of weight off the front of the car and place the weight behind the rear-end, where it will aid in traction. The car will also be able to handle better with the weight relocation.

11. Rear coil spring air bags - By experimenting with adding more air to the right air bag than to the left one, better off the line traction can be found.

12. Adjustable shocks and front coil over springs - We use the Hal QA1 12 way adjustable shocks on our cars. It is easy to adjust these shocks for street use, and then readjust them for strip use by simply rotating the 12 way adjustable dial. The Hal QA1 front coil over springs allows the front end height to easily be adjusted.

13. K member - By replacing the front K member and upper and lower control arms with light weight aftermarket tubular ones, a lot of weight is removed from the front suspension. Since front end weight is removed, better off the line traction and better handling will occur. We have had good success with the BMR parts, and combined with the Hal QA1 shocks and coil over front springs, gives the car a much better chance of getting traction on the starting line.

14. Headers and cat back exhaust - Everyone has their favorites, but we have grown very fond of Hooker and Flowtech headers, and the Hooker and Magnaflow Cat Back exhaust systems.
Flowtech and Hooker ceramic coated headers fit very well, with excellent ground clearance. The Flowtech headers are priced very competitively with PaceSetter headers, yet they install and fit much better. The ceramic coatings go a long way towards keeping the exhaust temps in the pipes, keeping the engine bay cooler and improving internal exhaust scavenging. These two brands of headers will give you 2.5" more in ground clearance compared to SLP headers.
The Hooker and Magnaflow cat back exhaust systems give these cars a good muscular sound that will not drown out your stereo while driving down the road. The exhaust tubing is larger than the stock tubing and is mandrel bent, for better exhaust flow.

For those of you who want it loud. If you are looking for an exhaust system that will annoy everyone around you, the two above exhaust systems are not for you. The SLP "Loud Mouth" cat back is a good system for those of you who want to be noticed. When we have one of these cars on my dyno with a loud mouth exhaust system, everyone around our area can hear the car!

15. ATI ProCharger D-1SC eight rib supercharger - Simply the best and easiest way to get 450 to 500 rwhp out of your car in my opinion, when combined with headers and a good cat back exhaust system. The car will still see great part throttle gas mileage, overall driveability will still be excellent, and the power is always there when you want it. At 8 pounds of boost, the car will be very dependable, and with the twin high flow air to air intercoolers, unleaded premium is all you need to use. I recommend the ATI ProCharger D-1SC "tuner" kit, as the D-1SC can handle future mods much better than the P-1SC. You will need 42 lb fuel injectors, a 255 litre in tank fuel pump, and chassis dyno tuning with the "tuner" kit.

Hopefully this list will help you in your quest for having a quick car! Bob

[Somebody09]

Just get the D1. I only bought the P1 because I have to deal with smog. And the P1 has a CARB number.

So wait, is it illegal to use the D1 in, say California, just because it doesn't have a carb number? If that's the case then I might have to stick with the P1 also. If not, then I'm quite sure the engine can be tuned lean enough to still be smog friendly.

-somebody

[Exotic Performance Plus]

So wait, is it illegal to use the D1 in, say California, just because it doesn't have a carb number? If that's the case then I might have to stick with the P1 also. If not, then I'm quite sure the engine can be tuned lean enough to still be smog friendly.

-somebody

If you live in California, then you better check to see if you can get away with the D-1SC or not. I have sold D-1SC's to customer's in Ca, and somehow they get away with it, bribery, perhaps... Bob

[Tobynine9]

If one had $6k he were going to dump into his stock engine, would he be better off getting good heads/cam installed or getting a charger installed?

[Ed Blown Vert]

If one had $6k he were going to dump into his stock engine, would he be better off getting good heads/cam installed or getting a charger installed?

If he has the money. I think the blower is the way to go. Idle and drives like stock till you get into boost.

[Tobynine9]

I don't have that kinda money, by the way. Don't want to get jumped by some forum junkie in a dark alley.

[speedpusher]

If he has the money. I think the blower is the way to go. Idle and drives like stock till you get into boost.

I agree. I'm saving my cash for a Vortech. Heard to many horror stories about the other guys. You can't beat the Vortech 50 State Legal kit here in CA. Otherwise the man will eventually catch up with you. Driveabilty on blower cars is great.