RIP 9mm round

***SMWS6TA*** · 01-27-2014, 09:41 AM

oh how the anti-gun crowd is just going to love this round.

**theorangeguy** · 01-28-2014, 04:54 AM

Originally Posted by SMWS6TA

oh how the anti-gun crowd is just going to love this round.

that thing will leave a GIANT hole in whatever it hits...I've been paying close attention to these since they were announced because I want some

**2002ssslp** · 01-28-2014, 05:12 AM

I hear these rounds will be about 2.00 each. Well worth it since you can get by with a single box for home protection. I would like to see a .45 round as well.

**wileyCoyote** · 01-28-2014, 05:57 AM

***SMWS6TA*** · 01-28-2014, 06:00 AM

This is about the only type of round that will help 9mm's

**wileyCoyote** · 01-28-2014, 06:11 AM

Originally Posted by SMWS6TA

This is about the only type of round that will help 9mm's

***SMWS6TA*** · 01-28-2014, 06:22 AM

truth hurts

**theorangeguy** · 01-28-2014, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by SMWS6TA

This is about the only type of round that will help 9mm's

haha my dad always gets his panties in a wad when I say stuff like that...he's a 9mm guy for some odd reason ...I own a 9mm, but I own just about every other size you can get as well...I personally like a 45 "even though 9mm is cheaper". if this thing ever comes in a 45 round it will literally blow someone in half...

**wileyCoyote** · 01-28-2014, 08:28 AM

i like 9mm, ...good balance of performance and capacity for general self-defense use...

**theorangeguy** · 01-28-2014, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by wileyCoyote

i like 9mm, ...good balance of performance and capacity for general self-defense use...

9mm's are cute...i'll give you that. My wife loves hers................

**wileyCoyote** · 01-28-2014, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by theorangeguy

9mm's are cute...i'll give you that. My wife loves hers................

9mm, .45....

...if "cute" translates to getting hits and having more carrying capacity, ...i'll take it

**theorangeguy** · 01-28-2014, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by wileyCoyote

9mm, .45....

...if "cute" translates to getting hits and having more carrying capacity, ...i'll take it

are you saying you cant hit something with a 45...?

**wileyCoyote** · 01-28-2014, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by theorangeguy

are you saying you cant hit something with a 45...?

nope, ...but generally, 9mm affords you more mag capacity than an equivalently sized .45...
more rounds, less mag changes?, ....more hits?...

**theorangeguy** · 01-28-2014, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by wileyCoyote

nope, ...but generally, 9mm affords you more mag capacity than an equivalently sized .45...
more rounds, less mag changes?, ....more hits?...

I was just giving you a hard time...I use both a 9mm and 45 in competition shooting...tend to use the 45 more "I like the feel of the 1911". But we do limited ammo stuff...gotta hit 4 targets with 5 shots, can only carry a half loaded backup magazine and you have to make it through a course and fire X amount of shots.

9mm without a doubt allows more capacity...I just prefer a bigger bang

***SMWS6TA*** · 01-28-2014, 10:53 AM

And yet it takes 2-3 rounds (unless head shot) to drop someone or thing with a 9mm, with a 40/45 cal, usually a second shot is not needed.

Don't get me wrong 9mm is better then a 22 or nothing at all. I just have had bad results using them so I only use them for target practice and teaching. It's easier to teach someone the basics with a 9mm vs a 45. Much less recoil.

**35th-ANV-SS** · 01-28-2014, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by SMWS6TA

And yet it takes 2-3 rounds (unless head shot) to drop someone or thing with a 9mm, with a 40/45 cal, usually a second shot is not needed.

Don't get me wrong 9mm is better then a 22 or nothing at all. I just have had bad results using them so I only use them for target practice and teaching. It's easier to teach someone the basics with a 9mm vs a 45. Much less recoil.

Where does this info come from? Please don't tell me the movies lol.

**wileyCoyote** · 01-28-2014, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by SMWS6TA

And yet it takes 2-3 rounds (unless head shot) to drop someone or thing with a 9mm, with a 40/45 cal, usually a second shot is not needed.

Don't get me wrong 9mm is better then a 22 or nothing at all. I just have had bad results using them so I only use them for target practice and teaching. It's easier to teach someone the basics with a 9mm vs a 45. Much less recoil.

based on what?... internet gun forum hearsay?...

***SMWS6TA*** · 01-28-2014, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by wileyCoyote

based on what?... internet gun forum hearsay?...

Personal experience while in Iraq. Grant it was with ball ammo, which is only good for paper targets IMHO.

**wileyCoyote** · 01-28-2014, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by SMWS6TA

Personal experience while in Iraq. Grant it was with ball ammo, which is only good for paper targets IMHO.

...so, an apples to oranges comparison... here's more scientific account of "caliber incapacitation" from a subject matter expert:
An Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power | Buckeye Firearms Association

***SMWS6TA*** · 01-28-2014, 11:39 AM

It's a fair comparison but I'm basing my observation on real events.

I've seen what 9mm, 40 cal and 45 HP & ball does.

9mm are a smaller and less dense that require more velocity to give it enough kinetic energy to be effective. Most times you will have a through and through wound with them, even with HP's. With 40 cal and more so with 45's they are bigger, denser with slower velocity but the kinetic energy is much greater over a 9mm.

For example: shoot a watermelon with a 9mm and it will go through with minimal damage. Shoot with either of the other two and it blows half if not all of the same watermelon to pieces.