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Thread: VIDEO: Vette vs. DSM
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11-27-2005, 08:22 AM #21Originally Posted by Smokinstorm
Carefully inspect the quarter mile time of this street legal LS1, then carefully re-inspect it's trap speed. You will never, never, find any DSM run those times, while trapping that low....
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11-28-2005, 04:47 AM #22
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Black- 1987 Grand National
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11-28-2005, 01:34 PM #23
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11-28-2005, 04:01 PM #24Originally Posted by Marc87GN
I've been toying with my friend's GSX ever since we finished, and although his launches would embarass most wannabe's out there on the street, I consistently take him at every stop light... then pull on him like you wouldn't believe.
Yes, Evo's, STI's, TSI's and GSX's are fabulous cars to launch with... but if you know what you're doing, any car can launch just as good, if not better. Take a look at you're engine, for instance;
One of my good friends built a 1988 Firebird, and installed a 3.8 Turbo from a wrecked Grand National. He went with a 12-bolt 3.55 posi, and T-56 tranny.... spohn torque arm, and subframe connectors (welded). Not sure how much boost he's pushing, but believe me when I tell you, the car is death out there on the street. Launches perfectly, each and every time....
... it's all in the set-up (and driver).
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Rick Head - 7.663 @ 186.56 (Street Radials)
... you gotta love it!Last edited by Street Lethal; 11-28-2005 at 04:12 PM.
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12-04-2005, 05:08 PM #25
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I find it negligibily impressive Rick Head's 427ci Twin 80mm Turbo'd V8 car (7.6).beats John Shepherd's 122ci single turbo'd I-4 AWD car which goes 7.9@179.
Believe me, Im not putting Rick down as what he has done is incredible and his times are just flat out crazy esp for being on radials, but I mean "wiping the floor"? Comeon. Give credit where due.
His car is .3 tenths faster while having an engine MORE than 4x the size and an extra turbo to go along with it. Also, calling that thing street legal is equivocal. Im not allowed to post pics (must have certain number of posts), but give me a break. That thing couldnt pass inspection as it sits in the track in a million years. Streetable is a better term and that thing is 100% none. This can go into a longer debate but lets not.
We all know RWD is the best racing platform for drag racing, I think what guys are just trying to say is, these really fast RWD cars with slicks once on the street against very fast AWD cars lose often because of traction. Like someone said, when at the track, its different!
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12-05-2005, 07:05 PM #26Originally Posted by EE1983
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Rick Head
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12-06-2005, 08:42 AM #27
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Originally Posted by Street Lethal
Also, the picture of Rick's car was to point out how ridiculous it is to call that thing street "legal" as if it were some sort of street vehicle. Thanks for posting the pic, I still cant do it lol
Again, Im not trying to start an argument at all so dont take it that way, more of what I said was a personal view.
You're comparing Rick's car to Shep's car and they aren't even in the same classes.Last edited by EE1983; 12-06-2005 at 08:52 AM.
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12-06-2005, 02:19 PM #28Originally Posted by EE1983
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Also note, I never really intended for this to wind up as a Head vs Shepard debate... I was simply pointing out that AWD does not necessarily have the advantage on the street. Head runs the times that he does on street radials, which are obviously legal for the street. If Shepard ever ran into Head on the street, well, you get the point.
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12-06-2005, 03:42 PM #29
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Originally Posted by Street Lethal
He has slicks and thats a different story but when he is on his street tires he spins in 3rd! He is full bolt-on and head/cam package.
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12-08-2005, 05:48 AM #30ShapeGSXGuestOriginally Posted by Street Lethal
Tell him to get some better tires or just get someone in there that can actually drive the car.
Check out: dsmtimes.org/times.php?Header_Type=AWD&Page=1dsmtimes
Check out number 49. 10.5@130mph
Number 53, Bruce Kwartler is a good friend of mine. 10.557@134.27 with a 1.58 60-ft in a street car. He is running BFG g-Force T/A drag radials.
If you are a good driver, take your friend's car down the track. Like I said, 130mph should be solidly in the 10s with a good driver behind the wheel.
Carefully inspect the quarter mile time of this street legal LS1, [/url] then carefully re-inspect it's trap speed. You will never, never, find any DSM run those times, while trapping that low....
Yeah, tell that to Rick Head and his infamous TT Camaro, as he wipes the floor with DSM hero John Shepard...
Difficult to overcome? I'm running ladder bars, and Mickey Thompson ET Street Radials on my 86 Iroc, and traction couldn't be any better, on the street. I have yet to break loose in a street race, and I'm pulling close to 500 pound feet of torque.Last edited by ShapeGSX; 12-08-2005 at 05:51 AM.
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12-08-2005, 05:13 PM #31Originally Posted by ShapeGSX
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... Shape, there's a reason why rollbars are required for times below twelve seconds. You running a best of 11.82 isn't saying much on you're part.
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Originally Posted by ShapeGSXLast edited by Street Lethal; 12-08-2005 at 05:16 PM.
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12-08-2005, 05:17 PM #32
hey my friends uncles aunt has a rocket ship that runs in the 2's, can you beat that ????
well???
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12-08-2005, 05:25 PM #33Originally Posted by Zboner
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12-08-2005, 05:52 PM #34ShapeGSXGuestOriginally Posted by Street Lethal
... must be wonderful to be you.
Yeah, maybe you can drive the car, and you can have you're girlfriend videotape it. Maybe she'll jump for joy like she did in the video when you ran mid 12's...
... Shape, there's a reason why rollbars are required for times below twelve seconds. You running a best of 11.82 isn't saying much on you're part.
I'm glad you italicized your spelling mistake.
No need. I can post numerous MPG's myself of street legal LS1's running in the 9's without even breaking a sweat. What's the point though...
"he barely broke into the 11's, trapping above 130mph.
Carefully inspect the quarter mile time of this street legal LS1, then carefully re-inspect it's trap speed. You will never, never, find any DSM run those times, while trapping that low...."
I've seen some weak arguments about RWD and AWD before, but that one has got to be one of the worst.
RWD is definitely superior to AWD once you hit a certain level and start to do some serious traction mods.
This, coming from someone who hasn't even hit low elevens. You can post links to all those idiots you want, this still doesn't change the fact that you're car is slower than mine!
I'm not trying to hit low 11s in my daily driver. If I were, I'd swap on a turbo larger than a puny 16G and run a low 11. But I'm happy with where my car is right now.
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12-08-2005, 05:52 PM #35
thats all im hearing in this thread, run what ya got, and not your buddys car, lol
and you know what i mean
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12-08-2005, 06:40 PM #36Originally Posted by ShapeGSX
... would this make ya happy, Shape? How about a lollipop, too?
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Originally Posted by ShapeGSXLast edited by Street Lethal; 12-08-2005 at 06:42 PM.
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12-11-2005, 11:05 AM #37
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12-17-2005, 01:08 PM #38
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