3.8 Firebird VS 01GT

[Smittro]

yeah OP, i'd stick to picking on v6 mustangs and the like, made many a memory winning v6 drag races out in the boonies with my POS 3.8 bird with a broken tranny mount and two weak motor mounts,

"ready, GO!" "THUD. bwaaaa!..THUD. bwaaaaaaa..THUD.bwaaaaaaaaaaa"

Neber had dis prob with mine..

[justinmc978]

Neber had dis prob with mine..

because you've taken care of yours, i bought mine for 2 grand with well over 100k and a CD in the monsoon stereo with every song about smoking pot burnt onto it. hope that gives you an idea of the condition of that car.

[Smittro]

OP, you will leave him there.... It will be close...

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmZc0Qvv6OA&feature=related[/ame]

[Smittro]

because you've taken care of yours, i bought mine for 2 grand with well over 100k and a CD in the monsoon stereo with every song about smoking pot burnt onto it. hope that gives you an idea of the condition of that car.

haha Yeah I'd say you've stepped it up a bit now... I had an 89 2.8 soooo sloooowwww..

[Smittro]

Introduced in 1995, the Series II is quite a different engine. Although the stroke for the 3.8 L engine remained at 3.4 in (86 mm), and the bore remained at 3.8 in (97 mm), the engine architecture was vastly changed. The deck height is shorter than the Series I, reducing weight and total engine package size. This required that the piston connecting rods be shortened 1 in (25 mm), and the crankshaft was also redesigned. A new intake manifold improved breathing while a redesigned cylinder head featured larger valves and a higher compression ratio. The result was 205 hp (153 kW) and 230 lb·ft

[Smittro]

combine those mods with a typical mustang driver with a stick and yeah that pretty much the out come i'd expect.

i wonder how much cash that dude dropped in that motor..

shshshshh

[justinmc978]

shshshshh

i'm gonna ninja edit lol

[Transamws6]

Really? What kind of torque are GT's putting down? Also the 4.6 is'nt even a full liter larger than the 231..

I've read on many accounts that the PI 2V's make around 300tq, not at the rear wheels of course.

Again, when both cars are basically stock, I personally just do not see him beating a PI 5 speed GT, even if the driver of the GT is not that great, they just seem too quick for his car. I think a bone stock SN95 NPI head GT would be a better match for him.

[Smittro]

Shift like this you it will be close..

Minus the broken trany mount..
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vNC3yWft24&feature=related[/ame]

[Smittro]

I've read on many accounts that the PI 2V's make around 300tq, not at the rear wheels of course.

Again, when both cars are basically stock, I personally just do not see him beating a PI 5 speed GT, even if the driver of the GT is not that great, they just seem too quick for his car. I think a bone stock SN95 NPI head GT would be a better match for him.

Again it will be close and he won't get slaughtered either unless he misses a gear or shifts like grandma..

[justinmc978]

Shift like this you it will be close..

Minus the broken trany mount..

i nostalgia'd so hard, oh the good ol days

[Smittro]

Whatever happens just don't do this..

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LpfGSUR1sU&feature=related[/ame]

[Transamws6]

Again it will be close and he won't get slaughtered either unless he misses a gear or shifts like grandma..

Man Smittro, I'm just not seeing it being a close race for some reason!

3.8 Firebird-200hp 225tq (not 100% sure on the Firebirds numbers, I'm sure you will chime in and correct me since you REALLY know your stuff when it comes to these GM V6 series motors.)
2V GT-260hp 300tq

I don't think it's uncommon for the GT's to put down more at the rear wheels than the Firebird makes at the crank, and it's not like the GT is 600 pounds heavier than the Firebird either, I just see the V6 getting walked really, really hard. Like it won't even be a close race, maybe a New Edge V6 stang, or a 96-98 GT would be a better match though!

[Smittro]

Man Smittro, I'm just not seeing it being a close race for some reason!

3.8 Firebird-200hp 225tq (not 100% sure on the Firebirds numbers, I'm sure you will chime in and correct me since you REALLY know your stuff when it comes to these GM V6 series motors.)
2V GT-260hp 300tq

I don't think it's uncommon for the GT's to put down more at the rear wheels than the Firebird makes at the crank, and it's not like the GT is 600 pounds heavier than the Firebird either, I just see the V6 getting walked really, really hard. Like it won't even be a close race, maybe a New Edge V6 stang, or a 96-98 GT would be a better match though!

He may very well get beat.. But there's no reason not to give it a shot really.. I don't follow Mustangs much but I've had many close races with GT's.. Not saying I was winning but none stock ever slaughtered me yet.. I've always got the hole shot too.. I usually start pulling as both cars seem to be reaching top gear.. Pulling but still behind some.. I've been door to door with 5spd GT's and poor shifting on the drivers part.. I have seen 3800 get wiped out by GT's and I seen more close ones than royal beatings because of the drivers.. I'm also just guessing, the GT will out weigh the 3800 Bird, which would help make up for the extra torque of the GT.. When I was kid I blew the doors off a 5.0gt with a dam 5spd Baretta 2.8 because the GT owner could'nt or did'nt shift fast just assumed he'd smoke me..

All I can say to the OP is learn to shift, you'll be surprised whom you'll beat with a little old v6..

[mogs01gt]

a stock GT, that isnt the Premium package, will still be lighter or as light as a 6 cylinder Fbody. Fbodies are a bigger car.

Sadly the auto GT's are dogs. They are just a v8 cruiser car, very very streetable and old people friendly.fbody autos are totally different animals.

[tatertot91]

So when's the race? All this talk and no action yet

[Smittro]

So when's the race? All this talk and no action yet

Must be soon.. I got a pm about cams for a 3800..

[tatertot91]

Must be soon.. I got a pm about cams for a 3800..

Sounds like the start to something good

[Smittro]

Time for one of deez...

[justinmc978]

Time for one of deez...

yeshh, i almost got a free one but my friend blew the buick up(literally, it was on fire) a few days before he was going to scrap it