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09-15-2010, 07:18 AM #41
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09-15-2010, 07:40 AM #42
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09-15-2010, 07:51 AM #43
Correction...the ZR1 is better than his car in every way
Supra looks like a googly eyed blob. ZR1 looks amazing.
Like you said, its pointless to compare a 16 year old modified car to a brand new one in terms of cost. Thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
And for the record, single turbo Supras have damn near the worst powerband of any car ever invented. Talk about gutless down low, they are horrible. Complete opposite of the ZR1, which makes 350ft/lbs at idle. That would turn the 2JZ backwards and tear it apart.Last edited by Wesman; 09-15-2010 at 07:56 AM.
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09-15-2010, 07:52 AM #44
Keep in mind that tune includes a substantial increase in boost, which explains the high numbers.
If you took an Evo or STI and added full bolt ons and tune without increasing boost (some people actually care about their engines, after all) you wouldn't see anything close to those numbers.
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09-15-2010, 08:30 AM #45
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09-15-2010, 09:45 AM #46
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Yes, but forced induction engines were made to handle extra compression. Yeah you can't just throw huge amounts of boost but it is all relative to the amount of air you're stuffing in. A GT35r at 10 psi will flow hugely more air than my stock vf39 turbo at 21 psi. The stock STi turbo is pretty small, smaller than the EVO's.
The stock bottom end on the STi is said to be good from 385whp to a little over 400whp. I'm not saying it's indestructible but some parts are capable of withstanding more force than what they rolled off the floor with. I'm sure the same could be said with the LS1 motor, the most reputable motor around. But hey, I'm not here to convince anyone just looking for a little understanding.
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09-15-2010, 09:57 AM #47
Whens this race set up for
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09-15-2010, 03:20 PM #48
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whoa what what? stock suburu legacy running an 11.5 stock?
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09-15-2010, 03:53 PM #49
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09-16-2010, 06:28 AM #50
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09-16-2010, 06:44 AM #52
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09-16-2010, 06:48 AM #53
I c i c, he has had problems before his turbo upgrade, cracked his head like twice. Then his turbo went out, thats why he upgraded. Dont see much of him now though all i know is he runs 25psi, i dont think he will hold up too much longer the way he drives it and how much boost he running, but again i dont know much about them.
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09-16-2010, 09:07 AM #54
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I have never even heard of someone cracking there head on the 2.5 liter IRL, seen a post or two onlien about it but those were 600+hp monsters, it is def not common. And to do it twice is insane; maybe he cracked 1 head and then the other??? Turbos going out on the other hand is common for any turbo. They dont last forever and even less time when you boost them hard all the time. I just hope mine lasts to 100k.
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09-16-2010, 07:00 PM #55
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09-17-2010, 05:42 AM #56
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They have used mitsu turbos but most of the newer American models use IHI VF series turbos. IHI stands for Ishikawajima Harima Heavy Industries. They make many many things other than turbos.
I just meant that in general turbos dont last forever. They spin at a ridiculous rpm. They all burn out eventually.
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09-17-2010, 05:09 PM #57
I've seen Diesels with 300,000 miles and original turbos. And they are spooling constantly, most spool right off idle. No issues at all.
It all comes down to quality. With something like a Mitsu turbo you're getting a cheap turbo thats not built to last, just like everything else Mitsubishi makes. No idea what IHI's track record is though.
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09-18-2010, 10:44 PM #58
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I've run a Holset HX35G with a Bullseye Power exhaust housing on my old 240SX. It was seeing 22psi of boost on my car for well over a year and 30psi of boost on the DSM owner's car I sold it to. After much abuse on both these cars it was still good, didn't leak oil, and had very little bearing play, (which was rather surprising given how little people know about these turbos as a cheap alternative to some of the big name performance brands) so I can vouch for this. I'm pretty sure mine came off some diesel Volvo utility-bus since it was the rare watercooled model.
I have also had experience with a couple IHI turbos. I've never had a problem with these units either. They are used on a plethora of factory turbo imports today.
Garrett turbos are hit and miss. Many of the ones used for factory automotive applications seem to have oil seal problems and bearing play after many miles, but this could be due to bad maintenance intervals. The performance Garrett turbos are much hardier, but can still fail if starved for oil or something goes amiss. I ran a GT35R on my car and never had a problem, but I've seen people have issues... although not common.
BorgWarner turbos seem to be built very well. I don't have too much experience with these, but a know someone who had one on a Civic that trapped 160mph in the 1/4... so they do make power.
Ebay turbos.... yes I tried them just to see. Surprisingly, some do make good power... for a month.
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09-19-2010, 05:22 AM #59
i've ran turbos @ 30+ psi with over 1,000,000 miles on them.
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