Question: timing chain

02_slp_ss · 11-06-2009, 07:31 PM

ok guys doing a cam swap in my 02 ss here soon an was wounderig is it worth the time an pain to put a double roller chain in or just put a new single in. i no with the double you have to move the oil pump out an the o ring sometimes gets messed up an there for no oil psi an i dont want the lol. So what you guys think???
OO an also im thinking of going with the ms3. wanted the ms4 but the ms3 just seems more of a street cam for say.
Any other cams i should look at?

Mr. Luos · 11-06-2009, 09:01 PM

Just get an LS2 chain from the dealer.
You just need the chain, not the gears.

I don't personally like the double rollers. Some create space issues.

You probably don't want my opinion of the Magic Stick series for a street car.

Z28boy2000 · 11-06-2009, 09:13 PM

i went with the double roller, mine came with spacers to solve any clearance probs

Hi-Po · 11-06-2009, 09:39 PM

I always say the LS2 for H/C swaps. Perfect install, Cheap.

BlackSS1 · 11-07-2009, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 02_slp_ss

ok guys doing a cam swap in my 02 ss here soon an was wounderig is it worth the time an pain to put a double roller chain in or just put a new single in. i no with the double you have to move the oil pump out an the o ring sometimes gets messed up an there for no oil psi an i dont want the lol. So what you guys think???
OO an also im thinking of going with the ms3. wanted the ms4 but the ms3 just seems more of a street cam for say.
Any other cams i should look at?

Ditto Ls2 timing chain nice cheap upgrade. You have to remove the oil pump to replace the chain anyway, so you might as well upgrade to a hiflow oil pump, and consider new timing gears while you have all that apart.

Be extremely careful with the oil pump O-ring. It is not hard to get it right, but if you get impatient and jam the oil pump back on you can pinch it...then you have to take it all back apart again and do it right.

Hard to advise you on cams without knowing your plans for modifications and use of the car... Cam depends on boltons, heads, etc: Race car? MS series. Street car? 224-228 or a Torquer 2 for a more aggressive street cam. Custom grinds, infinite possibilities.

Careful not to overcam a street car, you may not be happy with it in the long run. Best of luck

02_slp_ss · 11-07-2009, 02:45 PM

never thought of the LS2 chain good idea!! An for the cam the car isnt my DD i got a truck for that

so i was thinking of the 228 if not a hair bigger, its just my toy guys. but i understand what your saying with to BIG of a cam. i still have alittle research be for i make my mind up. What LSA would you go with 110-112? or higher

BlackSS1 · 11-07-2009, 08:17 PM

I did a 228R with a 113LSA, very happy with it. Still pretty torquey with much stronger top end. On stock heads/LS6 intake it peaks at 6000rpm

RageAgainstTheMinivan · 11-07-2009, 10:38 PM

im shopping for a cam swap also. I called texas speed and got great advise, answered all my questions. I dont know what all your car is set up for but mine is a street, not dd, m6, stock heads, stock intake (so far), 100 shot n2o, and full exhaust. I was recommended a 228, squared or 228/232. 580ish lift and 112 lsa. he said that would peak at about 6200, shift at 6400, and set redline at 6800.

Also recommended ls2 chain, no gears. ported ls6 oil pump and comp springs. actually he did urge for the dual springs. good luck with your swap!

***Y2KPewterSS*** · 11-09-2009, 10:27 PM

I also agree on the LS2 chain.

02_slp_ss · 11-11-2009, 10:38 AM

did you guys have to put bigger injectors in, i was thinking of a 38lb injector to.

shady milkman · 11-11-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 02_slp_ss

did you guys have to put bigger injectors in, i was thinking of a 38lb injector to.

go svo green tops ..best bang for your buck.

BlackSS1 · 11-12-2009, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 02_slp_ss

did you guys have to put bigger injectors in, i was thinking of a 38lb injector to.

Injectors are not really needed for a cam only LS1. It won't hurt anything to upgrade, but you can keep the stockers.

shady milkman · 11-12-2009, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackSS1

Injectors are not really needed for a cam only LS1. It won't hurt anything to upgrade, but you can keep the stockers.

depends on the cam i assume ..but yes overall you are right

02_slp_ss · 11-14-2009, 02:27 PM

yea i no the injectors dont really need changed but the guy that tunes my car said i could get more out of it if i did. but ill probly leave the stockers in till the boost comes!!!

shady milkman · 11-16-2009, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by 02_slp_ss

yea i no the injectors dont really need changed but the guy that tunes my car said i could get more out of it if i did. but ill probly leave the stockers in till the boost comes!!!

what are your injector load at with the cam ?? i would think once you get your cam in your load will be very high ..high enough were they should be changed.

11-06-2009, 07:31 PM	#1
02_slp_ss sick & twisted SS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chambersburg PA Age: 22 Posts: 177 2002 SS camaro Black	timing chain ok guys doing a cam swap in my 02 ss here soon an was wounderig is it worth the time an pain to put a double roller chain in or just put a new single in. i no with the double you have to move the oil pump out an the o ring sometimes gets messed up an there for no oil psi an i dont want the lol. So what you guys think??? OO an also im thinking of going with the ms3. wanted the ms4 but the ms3 just seems more of a street cam for say. Any other cams i should look at?

11-06-2009, 09:01 PM	#2
Mr. Luos "Slowass" Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Broomfield, CO Age: 31 Posts: 23,005 1999 Pontiac	Just get an LS2 chain from the dealer. You just need the chain, not the gears. I don't personally like the double rollers. Some create space issues. You probably don't want my opinion of the Magic Stick series for a street car. __________________ 1999 Pontiac Trans Am WS.6 #1747 531.1 RWHP 481.3 FT/Pounds 7.650 at 92.66 (Bandimere Speedway -- 5800 feet -- 7900 Density Altitude) 11.902 at 117.29 (5800 feet -- 7900 Density Altitude) Paint is stock.

11-06-2009, 09:13 PM	#3
Z28boy2000 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Rochester, NY Rochesterracing.com Posts: 1,186 2000 Camaro B4C	i went with the double roller, mine came with spacers to solve any clearance probs

11-06-2009, 09:39 PM	#4
Hi-Po Jack Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: MI,IA,TX,ND,__,__ Posts: 10,293 1999 TA WS.6 Black	I always say the LS2 for H/C swaps. Perfect install, Cheap.

11-07-2009, 02:45 PM	#6
02_slp_ss sick & twisted SS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chambersburg PA Age: 22 Posts: 177 2002 SS camaro Black	never thought of the LS2 chain good idea!! An for the cam the car isnt my DD i got a truck for that so i was thinking of the 228 if not a hair bigger, its just my toy guys. but i understand what your saying with to BIG of a cam. i still have alittle research be for i make my mind up. What LSA would you go with 110-112? or higher

11-07-2009, 08:17 PM	#7
BlackSS1 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Lexington, NC Posts: 407 2001 Camaro SS Vert Black	I did a 228R with a 113LSA, very happy with it. Still pretty torquey with much stronger top end. On stock heads/LS6 intake it peaks at 6000rpm

11-07-2009, 10:38 PM	#8
RageAgainstTheMinivan Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Burnsville, MN Age: 26 Posts: 211 99 Hugger Z28, 03 R6	im shopping for a cam swap also. I called texas speed and got great advise, answered all my questions. I dont know what all your car is set up for but mine is a street, not dd, m6, stock heads, stock intake (so far), 100 shot n2o, and full exhaust. I was recommended a 228, squared or 228/232. 580ish lift and 112 lsa. he said that would peak at about 6200, shift at 6400, and set redline at 6800. Also recommended ls2 chain, no gears. ported ls6 oil pump and comp springs. actually he did urge for the dual springs. good luck with your swap!

11-09-2009, 10:27 PM	#9
*Y2KPewterSS* Do ya feel lucky? Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Broken Arrow, OK Age: 35 Posts: 21,420 2000 Camaro SS Pewter metallic	I also agree on the LS2 chain.

11-11-2009, 10:38 AM	#10
02_slp_ss sick & twisted SS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chambersburg PA Age: 22 Posts: 177 2002 SS camaro Black	did you guys have to put bigger injectors in, i was thinking of a 38lb injector to.

11-14-2009, 02:27 PM	#14
02_slp_ss sick & twisted SS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chambersburg PA Age: 22 Posts: 177 2002 SS camaro Black	yea i no the injectors dont really need changed but the guy that tunes my car said i could get more out of it if i did. but ill probly leave the stockers in till the boost comes!!!