Buffers - Page 3

INMY01TA · 11-01-2009, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedsaZ06

This Flex polisher is about twice the price as the XP and the Griots but it does cut twice as fast with the same materials. An Awesome tool to hang in the garage and but this is a step up from....noob

http://www.autogeek.net/flex-orbital-polisher.html

+1. Skip the Porter Cable and go straight for the Flex. It's worth the extra money. Works in much less time. I have both and the PC makes a nice paper weight now.

Smittro · 11-01-2009, 07:02 PM

Err, power tools near my finish skurs me honestly. One slip up is all it takes, or drop the tool, or it gets away from you and b-b--b-b-b-bam ruined................

NeedsaZ06 · 11-01-2009, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by INMY01TA

+1. Skip the Porter Cable and go straight for the Flex. It's worth the extra money. Works in much less time. I have both and the PC makes a nice paper weight now.

He has little hands...

SiggyZ · 11-02-2009, 08:45 AM

I generally keep my PC buffer speed set to about 2,500 rpm. It has a max of 6,000 rpm. Alot of folks set the speed too high and burn through their clear coat. The only product I've used with it is 3Ms fine cut rubbing compound and their swirl mark remover and have always gotten great results. However, I generally don't use these products unless the scratches are beyond the capability of being filled in from the Zaino.

GULLETT17 · 11-02-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SiggyZ

I generally keep my PC buffer speed set to about 2,500 rpm. It has a max of 6,000 rpm. Alot of folks set the speed too high and burn through their clear coat. The only product I've used with it is 3Ms fine cut rubbing compound and their swirl mark remover and have always gotten great results. However, I generally don't use these products unless the scratches are beyond the capability of being filled in from the Zaino.

3M compound ftw

SiggyZ · 11-02-2009, 02:28 PM

Yep! It's great stuff.

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Originally Posted by GULLETT17

3M compound ftw

INMY01TA · 11-02-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SiggyZ

I generally keep my PC buffer speed set to about 2,500 rpm. It has a max of 6,000 rpm. Alot of folks set the speed too high and burn through their clear coat. The only product I've used with it is 3Ms fine cut rubbing compound and their swirl mark remover and have always gotten great results. However, I generally don't use these products unless the scratches are beyond the capability of being filled in from the Zaino.

I don't believe a Porter Cable will burn thru a clear coat even at 6,000. I always used mine at 6,000. I could put pressure on it holding it in one place till the pad stops spinning, no problem.

SiggyZ · 11-02-2009, 02:40 PM

You enjoy doing that all you want then, my friend.

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Originally Posted by INMY01TA

I don't believe a Porter Cable will burn thru a clear coat even at 6,000. I always used mine at 6,000. I could put pressure on it holding it in one place till the pad stops spinning, no problem.

INMY01TA · 11-02-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SiggyZ

You enjoy doing that all you want then, my friend.

Disagreeing with me is fine but I don't see what's so funny. The PC ain't gonna hurt my car unless I drop it on it. 2,500 rpms is only good for applying wax with it. I've used it for years now and know it's capabilities and limits very well.

SiggyZ · 11-02-2009, 04:54 PM

I am disagreeing with you and I'm laughing at the idea of running the pad in the same spot without moving it over the finish. You do whatever you wanna do. I've been using the PC for years now too and so far, running at at 2,5000 rpms does the trick removing blemishes in the finish.

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Originally Posted by INMY01TA

Disagreeing with me is fine but I don't see what's so funny. The PC ain't gonna hurt my car unless I drop it on it. 2,500 rpms is only good for applying wax with it. I've used it for years now and know it's capabilities and limits very well.

INMY01TA · 11-02-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SiggyZ

I am disagreeing with you and I'm laughing at the idea of running the pad in the same spot without moving it over the finish. You do whatever you wanna do. I've been using the PC for years now too and so far, running at at 2,5000 rpms does the trick removing blemishes in the finish.

Ya I don't polish the car on spot at a time Einstein, I was just saying you can hold it there and it won't hurt it. You polish yours how you like and I'll do mine the way most everybody does. 2,500 rpms won't cut it with black, heck Pewter isn't even a challenge. Cheers.

LETHALxLS1 · 11-02-2009, 09:43 PM

I agree- it would be very hard to burn the clear/paint with a pc- I never have- but somehow I have read more than one thread where someone lost there mind and somehow did.

I think it is a very easy machine to use. I would get a flex but my car doesn't leave the garage enough to warrant having 2 buffers.

tatertot91 · 11-03-2009, 05:31 AM

Looks like i'll be looking into that PC soon.

SiggyZ · 11-03-2009, 05:55 AM

You don't have to get nasty here bud. We're just having a discussion on buffers.

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Originally Posted by INMY01TA

Ya I don't polish the car on spot at a time Einstein, I was just saying you can hold it there and it won't hurt it. You polish yours how you like and I'll do mine the way most everybody does. 2,500 rpms won't cut it with black, heck Pewter isn't even a challenge. Cheers.

INMY01TA · 11-03-2009, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SiggyZ

You don't have to get nasty here bud. We're just having a discussion on buffers.

Not trying to be nasty but I don't want newbie detailers to think that the PC will harm the car if used full speed. Here's a few threads from the Autogeek Detailing forum on the subject. Just trying to stop the spread of misinformation.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/...424-speed.html
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/...hat-speed.html
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/...054-speed.html
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/...speed-use.html

***pajeff02*** · 11-03-2009, 06:12 PM

I am all for protecting a paint job from harm. But after using a buffer I simply do not have a huge concern over cooking my paint with it. I am an absolute novice with it and had no difficulty after being shown how to do it. Use a foam pad, keep it damp, do not over apply compound or use excessive pressure, and stay off the edges.

As Goose does in the pics he posts, use blue painters tape to keep the compound off plastic parts, trim and badges, and to protect any areas you think you might have an issue with. It just wasn't that hard to do as long as you pay attention and use common sense.

Z06-Goose · 11-03-2009, 08:18 PM

There are a lot of misconception about buffers.
You have to know what buffers are designed to do and how to use it for your specific application...
Common sense will keep you out of trouble. A rotary buffer is considered a machine for the pros, not that the weekend detailer shouldn't use, but you would hardly ever have to use one on a regular basis, if keeping your car looking good is what you're after

I've have at least one buffer for just about any type of application. I do because this is what I do and I need to have more than one buffer.
I however don't use them all when I detail a car. Most of the cars I detail are for most part in good shape, just like I imagine most of you guys keep your F-Bodies.
Once in a while I do a wetsanding job and odd stuff that most of you guys won't be dealing with on a regular basis...

With that being said, the PC7424XP is still your best bet. There are other comparable buffers that fall on the same category like the Griots new and improved DA Buffer, Meguiards, and the Flex. All good in my opinion.

Out of those mentiones, the Flex is the best. It's perhaps a little cumbersome to use to apply sealants and glaze with since it's a bit heavier than most DA buffers, but it definitely does an awesome job correcting defects. It's worth the money

So, in my own experience, if all I wanted to do was just my own car, and few friends' I would just keep only one buffer, and that will be the PC7424XP because of its versatility and easy to handle in most applications

I did almost all of my details for the last 4-5 years using the older version of the PC7424 along with a small rotary buffer for bigger jobs, it wasn't until this year when I finally stepped up to the Flex
That should tell you how much faith I have in the PC7424. Although I'm yet to personally use the new PC7424XP, I will venture to say that you'll be happy with it...

Z06-Goose · 11-03-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SiggyZ

I generally keep my PC buffer speed set to about 2,500 rpm. It has a max of 6,000 rpm. Alot of folks set the speed too high and burn through their clear coat. The only product I've used with it is 3Ms fine cut rubbing compound and their swirl mark remover and have always gotten great results. However, I generally don't use these products unless the scratches are beyond the capability of being filled in from the Zaino.

Outside the Menzerna line of polishes, those two 3M products do a great job. you won't be disappointed with those two...

NeedsaZ06 · 11-04-2009, 01:33 AM

This is what i've been using ....its the poo, Used nothing but Meguiars at the shop i worked at. I really like the #105 and #205

11-01-2009, 07:02 PM	#42
Smittro The V6 Doc. is in........ Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NewKensington Posts: 5,808 92/01 Chevrolet one black/ one NBM	Err, power tools near my finish skurs me honestly. One slip up is all it takes, or drop the tool, or it gets away from you and b-b--b-b-b-bam ruined................ __________________ http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread...118066&page=22 http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131454

11-03-2009, 08:18 PM	#57
Z06-Goose Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,210 2002 Corvette Z06 Torch Red	There are a lot of misconception about buffers. You have to know what buffers are designed to do and how to use it for your specific application... Common sense will keep you out of trouble. A rotary buffer is considered a machine for the pros, not that the weekend detailer shouldn't use, but you would hardly ever have to use one on a regular basis, if keeping your car looking good is what you're after I've have at least one buffer for just about any type of application. I do because this is what I do and I need to have more than one buffer. I however don't use them all when I detail a car. Most of the cars I detail are for most part in good shape, just like I imagine most of you guys keep your F-Bodies. Once in a while I do a wetsanding job and odd stuff that most of you guys won't be dealing with on a regular basis... With that being said, the PC7424XP is still your best bet. There are other comparable buffers that fall on the same category like the Griots new and improved DA Buffer, Meguiards, and the Flex. All good in my opinion. Out of those mentiones, the Flex is the best. It's perhaps a little cumbersome to use to apply sealants and glaze with since it's a bit heavier than most DA buffers, but it definitely does an awesome job correcting defects. It's worth the money So, in my own experience, if all I wanted to do was just my own car, and few friends' I would just keep only one buffer, and that will be the PC7424XP because of its versatility and easy to handle in most applications I did almost all of my details for the last 4-5 years using the older version of the PC7424 along with a small rotary buffer for bigger jobs, it wasn't until this year when I finally stepped up to the Flex That should tell you how much faith I have in the PC7424. Although I'm yet to personally use the new PC7424XP, I will venture to say that you'll be happy with it... Last edited by Z06-Goose; 11-03-2009 at 08:21 PM.

11-04-2009, 01:33 AM	#59
NeedsaZ06 VERITAS & JUSTITIA Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: In my Crown Vic Posts: 52 2010 Ford Interceptor alittle red and blue	This is what i've been using ....its the poo, Used nothing but Meguiars at the shop i worked at. I really like the #105 and #205 Last edited by NeedsaZ06; 11-04-2009 at 01:48 AM.

11-02-2009, 08:45 AM	#44
SiggyZ Consumer of kraut Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: asluT Age: 34 Posts: 4,375 2000 Camaro Z28 Light Pewter Metallic	I generally keep my PC buffer speed set to about 2,500 rpm. It has a max of 6,000 rpm. Alot of folks set the speed too high and burn through their clear coat. The only product I've used with it is 3Ms fine cut rubbing compound and their swirl mark remover and have always gotten great results. However, I generally don't use these products unless the scratches are beyond the capability of being filled in from the Zaino.

11-02-2009, 09:43 PM	#52
LETHALxLS1 I lika da Chevy's Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: USA Posts: 5,271 Z/28 LS1 BLACK	I agree- it would be very hard to burn the clear/paint with a pc- I never have- but somehow I have read more than one thread where someone lost there mind and somehow did. I think it is a very easy machine to use. I would get a flex but my car doesn't leave the garage enough to warrant having 2 buffers.

11-03-2009, 05:31 AM	#53
tatertot91 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Coral Springs, Fl Posts: 3,176 2001 WS.6 Trans Am red	Looks like i'll be looking into that PC soon.

11-03-2009, 06:12 PM	#56
*pajeff02* Junior Moderator Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Mansfield, PA Age: 42 Posts: 6,322 '02 WS.6 / '07 Suburban Black & Blue	I am all for protecting a paint job from harm. But after using a buffer I simply do not have a huge concern over cooking my paint with it. I am an absolute novice with it and had no difficulty after being shown how to do it. Use a foam pad, keep it damp, do not over apply compound or use excessive pressure, and stay off the edges. As Goose does in the pics he posts, use blue painters tape to keep the compound off plastic parts, trim and badges, and to protect any areas you think you might have an issue with. It just wasn't that hard to do as long as you pay attention and use common sense.