is it bad not to use clutch

**jaslivers** · 08-19-2008, 10:32 AM

i usually only use the clutch when im at a stop, anyother time i shift by feel........ is it bad or hard on my tranny????

**jad628** · 08-19-2008, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by jaslivers

i usually only use the clutch when im at a stop, anyother time i shift by feel........ is it bad or hard on my tranny????

I've never done it long-term with any vehicle I've owned. I'd have to think that it eventually causes accelerated wear if you do.

**KahanaReef** · 08-19-2008, 10:45 AM

Power/Speed shifting can't be good long term... that's why you have a clutch. But, I know people do it all the time.

**squee** · 08-19-2008, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by KahanaReef

Power/Speed shifting can't be good long term... that's why you have a clutch. But, I know people do it all the time.

I'm pretty sure hes not speed shifting.

I'm guessing your rev matching and letting it fall into gear? If so, its not a big deal really, if done right. I wouldn't do it all the time though...

**Wesman** · 08-19-2008, 12:36 PM

If you can do it without any grinding or forcing the shifter, it shouldn't really do any harm, because that means you are matching revs perfectly.

Semi drivers do it on a daily basis, they only use the clutch to get the truck going from a standstill.

**jaslivers** · 08-20-2008, 07:35 PM

sorry my internet has been down....... ive been doing it in my yota truck for about two years and dont grind or force it into gear... truck has 191k, stock drivetrain... so cant hurt to much im guessing..... thanks for the help.. gonna detail it soon and get pics up

**jaslivers** · 08-20-2008, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by squee

I'm pretty sure hes not speed shifting.

I'm guessing your rev matching and letting it fall into gear? If so, its not a big deal really, if done right. I wouldn't do it all the time though...

yup thats what i do

**Lucas'02SS** · 08-20-2008, 07:53 PM

I don't know how hard it is, but I don't think it could be that good on it. I wouldn't do it.

**squee** · 08-20-2008, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Lucas'02SS

I don't know how hard it is, but I don't think it could be that good on it. I wouldn't do it.

Its not harmful if you do it right. Its not very easy though. Most people can't do it...

**01ws6er** · 08-20-2008, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by squee

Its not harmful if you do it right. Its not very easy though. Most people can't do it...

I can do it but again it's not very consistant...My dad is a truck driver so he does it all day.

**jaslivers** · 08-20-2008, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Lucas'02SS

I don't know how hard it is, but I don't think it could be that good on it. I wouldn't do it.

thats what im thinking but so far so good

**jaslivers** · 08-20-2008, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by squee

Its not harmful if you do it right. Its not very easy though. Most people can't do it...

my dad taught me when i was a kid, used to drive in the back pastures all the time, took forever to get good at it though, good thing he got rid of that truck

**02WS6dream** · 08-20-2008, 09:57 PM

been a while since i threw out a dumb question on here so.... why would you? exactly what do you do to make it work? pull it out of gear and push the gas so that the rpms match where they will be at that speed in the next gear then it just slips in? Sorry--i'm retarted about this--heard the terms 'power shifting' and 'rev matching' plenty but never really knew what they meant. my new car is stick, but i haven't tried anything unordinary...

**squee** · 08-20-2008, 10:34 PM

It takes alot of practice usually, but basically pull it outa gear (don't force it, it'll come) and give it a little gas, put a little pressure on the knob to go into the next gear (yet again, don't force it), and as the revs fall, it should fall into place.

**jad628** · 08-21-2008, 03:25 AM

And if you are good with your left foot, you can do a standard clutch in shift just as fast if not faster.

I agree that truck drivers are known to do it, but I would like to know how many OWNER/OPERATOR truck drivers do it. When it's YOUR vehicle, you probably wouldn't make clutchless shifts if it was going to lead to premature wear.

**dozerdan** · 08-21-2008, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by jad628

And if you are good with your left foot, you can do a standard clutch in shift just as fast if not faster.

I agree that truck drivers are known to do it, but I would like to know how many OWNER/OPERATOR truck drivers do it. When it's YOUR vehicle, you probably wouldn't make clutchless shifts if it was going to lead to premature wear.

i don't know a truck driver that uses the clutch after taking off...shifting up and coming back down...imagine clutching it 9-12 times on the way up and then doing the same coming back down...

**jad628** · 08-21-2008, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by dozerdan

i don't know a truck driver that uses the clutch after taking off...shifting up and coming back down...imagine clutching it 9-12 times on the way up and then doing the same coming back down...

I agree, but I figured if it is known to cause wear and tear, and owner-operator isn't as likely to do it. I meant it in the way of a question.

**squee** · 08-21-2008, 02:29 PM

Like already said...It doesn't cause a problem if done correctly...

**02WS6dream** · 08-21-2008, 02:51 PM

so in an m5 no real advantage... maybe in a semi, but not with only 5 gears to play with; of which you may use 3 to get to speed...

**squee** · 08-21-2008, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by 02WS6dream

so in an m5 no real advantage... maybe in a semi, but not with only 5 gears to play with; of which you may use 3 to get to speed...

Who ever said there was an advantage to doing it?? There really isn't one to speak of. Its just easier than using the clutch, again, thats granted you know how to do it.