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This is a discussion on F-Body and Charger within the Domestics and Foreigns forums, part of the Vehicle Specific category; I am not very mechanically inclined, so I was hoping someone could answer this for me. If a WS6 and ...

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    I am not very mechanically inclined, so I was hoping someone could answer this for me. If a WS6 and R/T both have a 5.7L engine, eventhough the R/T is a hemi, what makes the car comparable to the WS6? The WS6 must be much lighter and aerodynamic than the Charger, right? Does the hemi part really make up the difference? I mean I hear that the R/T is about 350 hp and the WS6 is about the same (actually, not what it was rated). Someone please explain.

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    5.7 is simply the size of the motor.

    The WS6 has the 5.7 ls1 with 350 displacement.
    The charger R/T has a 5.7 liter hemi (not sure of displacement)


    the ws6 is very dynamic, but I would assume that the charger is also.

    as far as the hemi part, hemi is just the name for dodge's large motor...

    When someone brags about have "A HEMI" tell them to stfu and that they have a small penis....

    I raced an srt8 charger, and my Z is nowhere close to stock.

    dude kept up suprisingly wel...

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    Wow, so thats all Hemi means?

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    I think you might want to double check that.
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    jokingly.....

    "as far as the hemi part, hemi is just the name for dodges large motor"

    the hemi is dodges signature v8 engine...


    better now?

    I'm sorry I didn't go into the mechanics of the motor

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    ok... lesson in HEMI... hemi is the type of head they are using... it is a hemispherical Combustion on the head... and that hemi is not what the Dodge larger engine name... just like the vortec engine... it is just from the vortec head...

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    as far from the 5.7 Charger vs. 5.7 WS6... ws6 will own.... the cars have about the same hp... but NOT the same weight ratio..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2000SuperSportMaro View Post
    as far from the 5.7 Charger vs. 5.7 WS6... ws6 will own.... the cars have about the same hp... but NOT the same weight ratio..
    exactly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getzen_Guy View Post
    exactly
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2000SuperSportMaro View Post
    ok... lesson in HEMI... hemi is the type of head they are using... it is a hemispherical Combustion on the head... and that hemi is not what the Dodge larger engine name... just like the vortec engine... it is just from the vortec head...
    The hemi today is not the Hemi of old. The hemispherical motor is not, I repeat not the same as the old one. The hemi badge is just a selling point. Ask any dodge guy, and you can ask and mechanic, the new dodges are not Hemispherical motors!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pewterzron View Post
    The hemi today is not the Hemi of old. The hemispherical motor is not, I repeat not the same as the old one. The hemi badge is just a selling point. Ask any dodge guy, and you can ask and mechanic, the new dodges are not Hemispherical motors!!
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    up yours guys for saying I was wrong

    sure cuders have hemispherical heads, but these new chargers and Hemi trucks don'tas fas as i know. again

























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    isnt chrysler in a lawsuit with GM for the "HEMI" motor being almost a copy of GM lsx series?

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    hmmm weird... when we pulled off the head of my dad's hemi truck i could of sworn i saw a type of combustion like the OLD ONES... its not just the name it has the physical atributes to the old hemi heads

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    Quote Originally Posted by one_entity View Post
    I am not very mechanically inclined, so I was hoping someone could answer this for me. If a WS6 and R/T both have a 5.7L engine, eventhough the R/T is a hemi, what makes the car comparable to the WS6? The WS6 must be much lighter and aerodynamic than the Charger, right? Does the hemi part really make up the difference? I mean I hear that the R/T is about 350 hp and the WS6 is about the same (actually, not what it was rated). Someone please explain.
    i have always wondered about a trans am / ws6 and charger also and since they are near the same hp

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    The "Hemi" of today actually uses a more polyspherical combustion chamber (semi-hemi akin to the old Ford design) with a very canted valve arrangement than the old hemi did which had a true hemispherical (half round) combustion chamber with the intake and exhaust valves on opposite sides of the combustion chamber, i.e., intake valve on the inside leaning towards the intake manifold with the exhaust valve on the outside leaning towards the exhaust manifold. This is why the old hemi valve covers were wider than a small block oil pan. This is also why the spark plug is located in the middle of the combustion chamber.

    The other Chrysler V8's back in the day were referred to as "wedge" engines as they had a more typical combustion chamber design with the valves adjacent to one another in a line similar to Gen I & Gen II SBC and Gen III LSx designs.

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    Thank you for proving my point

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    If the HEMI offers the advantage of power and airflow, why isn’t Dodge or other car manufactures using the HEMI? I understand that HEMI is probably patented, but it was truly better, other companies would have found away to copy the technology and evade the copyright laws. Also, I was under the impression that R/T was just as fast as the WS6/SS, but I didn’t do any fact checking, I guess I was confusing it with the 6.1 Charger.

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    The SRT8 = about the same as the WS6
    RT = Mustang GT

    WS6's are about 500 pounds lighter than the Chargers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by one_entity View Post
    If the HEMI offers the advantage of power and airflow, why isnít Dodge or other car manufactures using the HEMI? I understand that HEMI is probably patented, but it was truly better, other companies would have found away to copy the technology and evade the copyright laws. Also, I was under the impression that R/T was just as fast as the WS6/SS, but I didnít do any fact checking, I guess I was confusing it with the 6.1 Charger.
    Heres the thing.... one other company that I know of did copy the Hemi design. I dont know a ton about it, but the boss 429 mustang of 69 or 70 (not sure which year) that ford built only a small amount of (again, Im not a ford fan, so I dont know exact numbers, thinking it was around 500) for NASCAR homogulation (sp?) was fords hemispherical head design, and was basically a Hemi. But the other problem was, just as that engine was really starting to go strong in cars, we had a huge bunch of emissions laws passed, and then a gas crisis, so even if other companys were toying with the idea, it would have gotten killed right about then.

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    The bigger ? is who cares what kind of heads are on it if it dosent make more power than an ls1. Its not like a 350hp hemi is better that a 350hp vortec. Dodge just uses the hemi name to sell cars by letting fags that dont know what they are talking about say yeah its got a hemi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hutch1999 View Post
    isnt chrysler in a lawsuit with GM for the "HEMI" motor being almost a copy of GM lsx series?
    Apparently the Hemi uses many design features first implemented in the GM LS series, but I haven't heard anything about any lawsuits.

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