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This is a discussion on want opinions on H/C setup within the Internal Engine forums, part of the LSx Technical Help Section category; hey yall, so ive been doing some work to the car, and im finally ready for the big upgrade. im ...

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    want opinions on H/C setup

    hey yall, so ive been doing some work to the car, and im finally ready for the big upgrade. im going to upgrade to the racetronix fuel system and jump to 37# injectors when i do the head cam set up, to ensure i have enough fuel. so im torn between a few different combinations, and since ive never done the swap, i would like your opinions. oh, and i have slp LT's, full exhaust, LS6 intake and PCV, LID, EGR delete, ported TB, built 4L60E, PCM tune, some suspension work and pretty much every other bolt on out there, but not important to list. heres what im looking at;

    1st: Patriot heads; LS6 stg 2 59cc or 64cc chambers, 1.7 adjustable rockers, titanium retainers, .650 dual springs. W/ a 225/229 cam.

    2nd: PRC LS6 64cc stg 2.5, SS 2.02" intake valves, 1.57" exhaust valves, .675" dual springs with titanium retainers. 7.400" pushrods. W/ MS3 cam 237/242 .603/.609" 112 LSA

    3rd: same heads as #2, but with 233/239, .559"/.603" cam 113 LSA

    like i said, im new with all these different numbers, and just wanna get the right combo that goes together. this is for a street/strip car. if you think theres a better combination, please let me know. along with the H/C, im doing a double-roller adjustable timing chain, and a ported LS6 oil pump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sutie View Post
    hey yall, so ive been doing some work to the car, and im finally ready for the big upgrade. im going to upgrade to the racetronix fuel system and jump to 37# injectors when i do the head cam set up, to ensure i have enough fuel. so im torn between a few different combinations, and since ive never done the swap, i would like your opinions. oh, and i have slp LT's, full exhaust, LS6 intake and PCV, LID, EGR delete, ported TB, built 4L60E, PCM tune, some suspension work and pretty much every other bolt on out there, but not important to list. heres what im looking at;

    1st: Patriot heads; LS6 stg 2 59cc or 64cc chambers, 1.7 adjustable rockers, titanium retainers, .650 dual springs. W/ a 225/229 cam.

    2nd: PRC LS6 64cc stg 2.5, SS 2.02" intake valves, 1.57" exhaust valves, .675" dual springs with titanium retainers. 7.400" pushrods. W/ MS3 cam 237/242 .603/.609" 112 LSA

    3rd: same heads as #2, but with 233/239, .559"/.603" cam 113 LSA

    like i said, im new with all these different numbers, and just wanna get the right combo that goes together. this is for a street/strip car. if you think theres a better combination, please let me know. along with the H/C, im doing a double-roller adjustable timing chain, and a ported LS6 oil pump.
    First off, ditch the LS6 oil pump and go lingenfelter, its cheaper and better. Next off, double roller chains sometimes need a little work to make them fit so be prepared for that. Last but not least, check out some of the sponsors and see what combo's they have. It will give you an idea on the set up you will like the best
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    Hmmm, didn't even think about the lingenfelter pump, good call. And after doing more reading, I think ill just stick with an upgraded single roller chain.
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    I like texas speeds tv.2 cam 232 234 .595 .598 on a 112, great driver cam with killer power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sutie View Post
    Hmmm, didn't even think about the lingenfelter pump, good call. And after doing more reading, I think ill just stick with an upgraded single roller chain.
    Mod "Sarge" runs that oil pump and so do I. I paid $60 less then the LS6 and my PSI is around 80psi (Maxed) at idle

    Go with the LS2 chain, it is stronger then the LS1 and doesn't really cost more.

    What type of lifters/pushrods were you thinking?

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    Melling hv oil pump part number 10296, not the 10295... this is a high pressure/ high volume pump, and ot has flush mount Allen head bolts (less grinding if any on the timing cover) go with a double roller chain for strength....

    The double roller chain should come with 2 shims, rib a thin coat of black RTV on both sides of the shin that has the oil hole when you bolt it in.

    Next take some lube or grease and rib on the face of the oil pump and set the timing cover in place without the aluminum gaskets... pull the cover back off and of you have any grease stuck to it do little grinding in that spot.... this will give you plenty of clearance with the gaskets.

    I see your in Calli, so you are pretty much screwed on a larger cam... I think about as big as you can go is a 224 on a 114lsa. So if you want to make as Mich power as possible you will need to spend some money on a great set of heads matched to the cam you pick (unless you want to do a cam/ exhaust swap every time you need to run through emissions)

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    I like your choice #3. PRC>Patriot.

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    Sorry to jack the thread, but why would you want to have a higher oil pressure like with the lingenfelter pump? Is that just for highly modded cars or would you do that for a stock car also?

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    More oil gives you longer bearing life

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    PRC heads and a Pat G cam get my vote, along with whatever pump you decide, and might as well swap lifters/trays too.
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    I'm trying to decide on similar setups, especially since TS has a special going on. I would definitely go PRC over Patriot, their budges heads have good results in almost every thread I read about them. LS2 chain would get my vote also.

    I'm waiting on an E-mail from TS for what will work the best for me. I've decided on the 2.5 LS6heads but not sure on what cam and If I want the heads milled to up the compression. I did all my research to SC my car and just couldn't justify the cost for how much I drive the car, now I've got to learn all this new shit.

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    Well thanks for the input. I may be in California, but the car is registered in Texas, and I'm military exempt from there inspections, so I'm in the clear.

    Quote Originally Posted by mark21742 View Post
    Melling hv oil pump part number 10296, not the 10295... this is a high pressure/ high volume pump, and ot has flush mount Allen head bolts (less grinding if any on the timing cover) go with a double roller chain for strength....

    The double roller chain should come with 2 shims, rib a thin coat of black RTV on both sides of the shin that has the oil hole when you bolt it in.

    Next take some lube or grease and rib on the face of the oil pump and set the timing cover in place without the aluminum gaskets... pull the cover back off and of you have any grease stuck to it do little grinding in that spot.... this will give you plenty of clearance with the gaskets.

    I see your in Calli, so you are pretty much screwed on a larger cam... I think about as big as you can go is a 224 on a 114lsa. So if you want to make as Mich power as possible you will need to spend some money on a great set of heads matched to the cam you pick (unless you want to do a cam/ exhaust swap every time you need to run through emissions)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrntWS6 View Post
    I'm trying to decide on similar setups, especially since TS has a special going on. I would definitely go PRC over Patriot, their budges heads have good results in almost every thread I read about them. LS2 chain would get my vote also.

    I'm waiting on an E-mail from TS for what will work the best for me. I've decided on the 2.5 LS6heads but not sure on what cam and If I want the heads milled to up the compression. I did all my research to SC my car and just couldn't justify the cost for how much I drive the car, now I've got to learn all this new shit.

    Let me know what they tell you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sutie View Post
    Well thanks for the input. I may be in California, but the car is registered in Texas, and I'm military exempt from there inspections, so I'm in the clear.
    Lol ok in that case is go for the 228, longtube headers, ls6 intake and heads of your choice...
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    I am also looking to pimp the engine. Though I know little about it. How come you are not looking to get larger injectors? How much HP are you looking to get out of this set up and how much are you looking to spend on it?

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    I went with single chain w/ dampner. Melling pump. Ported ls6 will do the trick. Cam wise, when I built my ls1, I didn't know how big to go. I stayed conservative w/ torquer V2 with ls6 2.5's. I installed 28 lb. injectors only to lean out at the dyno. To do it again, I'd get TSP MS3 with 36lb injectors. Go all out and no regrets.

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    So since I have to drop 3000 for injectors on my truck, I'm being forced to alter my plans for the t/a. I'm thinking of getting a stock set of ls6 heads, porting them myself, then getting the ms3 cam, ls7 lifters, dual springs, oil pump and timing chain. What do yall think as far as rocker arms?

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    Stock rockers are plenty strong with the CompCams trunion upgrade. You don't "have to" get new rockers unless you're looking at TFS heads with the standard valveguides. Although they will install powdered metal guides for a fee, which allows the use of stock rockers. I'm not sure if the PM guides + trunion kit would offset the cost of a quality aftermarket rocker.

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    Stock rocker arms are fine the way they are with the mods you are doing.

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    How big of a cam can stock rockers handle?

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