Trick Flow head and cam combo
This is a discussion on Trick Flow head and cam combo within the Internal Engine forums, part of the LSx Technical Help Section category; Originally Posted by 01 T/A L et me know what they say . I was going to call but the ...
12-23-2007, 05:07 PM #21
12-23-2007, 06:19 PM #22
Just to add, if anyone is wondering about trickflow quality,,,their heads are used exclusively by a local engine builder here. Mike Saddler swears by them,,,and does most all of our machine work. He runs a shop with a DTS dyno,,,and he placed 4th in the most recent Engine Masters Challenge seen on ESPN,,,,,against all of the top engine builders in the country.
He uses trickflow on almost everything he builds. We just recently built an old school 406 (gen 1 to you guys) that originally are equipped with 24 degree heads,,,,we went with 18 degree Trickflows, single carb on gas and made over 600 hp on a conservative DTS dyno without trying too hard.
It's good stuff.
As well as they work on old school small blocks I can only assume they should make awsome power on an LS series engine as well,,,,since they are 13 degree heads, they should be killer.
12-23-2007, 06:22 PM #23
12-23-2007, 06:52 PM #24
In any event,,,,since an LS1, LS2, LS6, etc....all came with 15 degree heads to start with,,,,,(which is why they make power so easily) then the 13 degree heads should make power even easier, since it already has a clear advantage on paper,,,I would assume. Looking at what GM did with the LS7 and it's 12 degree heads only solidifies this reasoning.
I have seen a few LS engines here locally running these heads, I am unsure of power numbers and Mike doesn't build many LS engines to test these heads so I can't honestly say. But I like what I have seen from them so far on old school stuff.
12-24-2007, 04:51 AM #25
i talked to summit and they said they will still have the kit with rockers and pushrods after january but the price might be a little more,not much,so i think ill go with that kit in spring also.http://store.summitracing.com/partde...0&autoview=sku
12-24-2007, 04:53 AM #26
read at bottom where it says easy upgrades for ls1 includes everything
12-24-2007, 05:32 AM #271969mach1Guest
Hey, i just read through the list in the summit catalog. It states "The horsepower experts at Trick Flow Specialties know a thing or two about combining the right components for maximum results. That's why these LS1 Top-End Engine Kits are the perfect way to get the power you whant. Each Dyno-tested kit features a pair of Tirck Flow CNC-ported LS1 cylinder heads (TFS-3060T001-C01), Trick Flow heat-treated chromemoly pushrods, and a matched Trick Flow camshaft, plus Harland Sharp roller rocker arms and GM Perfomance Parts gaskets and bolts. Each kit has a 460 ft.-lb. torque rating."
I think I'll send back the rockers I bought and move forward with this kit.
12-24-2007, 11:16 AM #281969mach1Guest
Last edited by 1969mach1; 12-24-2007 at 11:20 AM. Reason: miss spell
12-24-2007, 03:53 PM #29
Yeah hook me up with a link!Hi. My name is Dan and I'm a RWHP addict.
12-26-2007, 07:48 AM #30
- Join Date
- Aug 2005
the hp rating for the trickflo heads, are they crank hp or rwhp?
12-26-2007, 09:09 AM #31
I have always went with custom ground camshafts, I very rarely ever grab something off the shelf anymore.
12-26-2007, 09:43 AM #32
- Join Date
- Mar 2007
- Gainesville, VA
This kit seems kind of pricey to me. I'm not going to bash trick flow as I have never used their products and everything I've heard and read about them is extremely positive. Based on what I've heard I wouldn't hesitate to use their stuff if the price was right.
I also question what supporting mods they used to produce those numbers and I am assuming this is crank HP and not RWHP. I see in the add they recommend at least and Ls6 intake or fast 90. So did they use and ls6 or fast 90/90 set up to produce those numbers? If they went the fast route then the kit now becomes a 4200 kit in order to duplicate the numbers. I've seen people putting down numbers very close to those with cheaper kits. I'd love to see some real world results here so if any of you buy this kit please post dyno numbers after your tune.
12-27-2007, 01:48 AM #33
12-28-2007, 05:53 AM #341969mach1Guest
i would safly assume its crank hp. there are too many heads on the market to say "these are the best". MTI here in Houston has a 475hp combo that is $7500. and includes LT, lid, computer, custom grid cam, and re working the factory heads... seem like a lot of cash to me, but the do all the work and dyno tune it.
12-29-2007, 11:06 PM #35
- Join Date
- Oct 2007
- 1998 T.A.
I have been researching heads for the past couple months and am still on the fence whether to go budget (ported GM castings) or a proprietary casting like Trickflow, AFR or even Dart (little lower #'s but less $$ than TFS or AFR). I just can't decide whether it is worth the extra coin. I can tell you this: at low lift the TFS/AFR's flow much better and should provide signifigantly better low and midrange torque. Since I DD my car this is a big consideration with me. But on the other hand you can make a lot of this up with the proper stall. If coin was not a consideration I would have already made up my mind by now (and put the extra $$ into ARH headers). Damnit!!
12-30-2007, 05:33 AM #36
When comparing heads,,,,make sure they are of the same intake runner size,,,,this will tell you whether or not you are getting a good head. For example,,,a 200 CC intake runner that can flow 300 cfm at .600 lift is better than a head with a 225 CC intake runner that flows the same CFM at same lift. In this case the 200 CC head would be a no brainer. And AFR is one of the best at extracting the most from cylinder heads without going too big on the intake runner size. This of course given the fact that heads also have the same valve angles,,,,TFS has an advantage here,,,with 13 degree heads verses AFR 15 degree heads,,,,so TFS should also have a killer package.
There are alot of other ported heads on the market that can also flow 300 CFM or more,,,but the intake runner size is so big the engine would be a pig unless you have rather large cubic inches to take advantage of it.
Don't skimp on the heads.
12-30-2007, 06:15 AM #371969mach1Guest
all my SBF motors i have ever built were with AFR 185 heads. in the SBF market they are the best, hands-down. Though a buddie was a hard core TrickFlow motor builder. Now with the LS1's you have valve angle, RHS has the best in valve angle, so i've seen so far.
Heads are the key! I think I'll stick with AFR...
Users Browsing this Thread
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
By Ed Blown Vert in forum Camaro / SSReplies: 0Last Post: 10-01-2007, 07:10 PM
By importssuck in forum General HelpReplies: 5Last Post: 08-23-2006, 12:12 AM
By SVT THIS in forum Parts For Sale / TradeReplies: 6Last Post: 07-17-2006, 05:15 PM
By SKULLZ in forum Internal EngineReplies: 13Last Post: 10-08-2005, 05:48 PM