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This is a discussion on Trex Vs Ms4??? within the Internal Engine forums, part of the LSx Technical Help Section category; which would be a better cam for the street with a set of afr 205cc heads,i am looking to do ...

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    Trex Vs Ms4???

    which would be a better cam for the street with a set of afr 205cc heads,i am looking to do a head and cam swap in the spring just wanting some good opinions which would be a killer street cam without too much hassle trex or ms4 any help would be greatly appreciated.

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    For the street?? Neither cam.

    228R from TSP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Luos View Post
    For the street?? Neither cam.

    228R from TSP.
    whats the lift on it will i still be able to get 420 at the wheels with that one?

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    If you want a street car...don't concern yourself with peak dyno numbers.

    You want more powerband. But the right tuner might be able to get 420 out of that cam with ALL the bolt ons.

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    i talked to tsp they gave me this info on what to buy for street setup,precision race components stage2.5 5.3L heads with a torquer v.3 cam comes with hardened pushrods,extra cost for ported oil pump,head gasket kit,cam specs are 231/234 643./598 111lsa,AND adjustable double roller chain for total of 2050 sound like a good deal?

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    Other than the double roller chain, sounds like a great set-up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Luos View Post
    Other than the double roller chain, sounds like a great set-up.
    why shouldnt i need the double roller chain?

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    Overkill in my opinion.

    Plus, they can create install issues.
    I went with the Comp adjustable single set for mine.

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    oh ok, they have non adjustable single roller chain for less,so i really dont need the double even know a shop will installin all this?

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    I don't think you'll have touble finding a shop that'll install all of what you have listed but to tune the car so that your in the ballpark area in terms of HP may be a little more difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackls1ta View Post
    oh ok, they have non adjustable single roller chain for less,so i really dont need the double even know a shop will installin all this?
    The double increases the width of the chain. Sometimes makes the crank pulley and timing cover fit funky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAGGIN View Post
    I don't think you'll have touble finding a shop that'll install all of what you have listed but to tune the car so that your in the ballpark area in terms of HP may be a little more difficult.
    that shouldnt be too hard im not far from pittsburgh theres alot of good shops around

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    just run a ls2 timing chain. I am running the 231/237 cam with a ls2 timing chain. Man I wish you lived here and I would put it all in for you for cheap

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Luos View Post
    For the street?? Neither cam.

    228R from TSP.
    I beg to differ. I daily drive mine and it is great. I got my idle at 925rpm (had it at 850rpms with no problems) but liked the off idle throttle response a bit better at 950rpms especially when Auto-Xing at our slow small events. At 850 the lope is awesome. There is a bit of bucking but other than that it drives perfect. I get about 22mpg in the highway and 12mpg in the city around 17 combined when driving to work. Rush hour is no problem. Drivability is all in the tune (although anything bigger would make it harder to get it livable). Low end torque is not bad. I have to take go to the dyno to put some final touches to the tune after I put my new clutch in and get some final numbers. The cam has a awesome top end 3K and up it just pulls and pulls all the way to redline.

    I think a Trex takes a bit more work to get decent any drivability.
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    Everyone has their own opinion of streetable. I do agree that a good tune will make the biggest cams easy to drive.

    Do you have a dyno sheet available?? Those larger cams like the higher RPM's. Off idle won't be bad, I agree.
    But with the slightly smaller cams you can get a larger powerband. Which for me is something a street car needs.


    Everyone has their own opinions though. Hell...I run a 248/254 629/622 113.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Luos View Post
    Do you have a dyno sheet available??
    No the only graph I had was when I was running it with stock manifolds, ORY and Borlamouth. As you know this big overlap cams don't do too well with restrictive exhaust. It still manage to pull 385 rwhp can't remember the torque. Due to some circumstances (relating to been ripped off on my original cam selection that was suppose to be a TSP 231/237 598/595 LSA114 and turned out to be a stock cam) I had to get another cam in there before I got long tubes on the car. So at that point I though that if I was going to do another cam swap 2 weeks apart from each other I might as well get something a tad bigger .

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Luos View Post
    Everyone has their own opinions though. Hell...I run a 248/254 629/622 113.
    Nice! is it straight up or do you have any advance on it? I would have loved to have done a custom MS4 239/242, .649"/.609" 110*+2 but I would have had to flycut. So I went with their standard 111* grind.

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    Straight up. In a 402.

    Are you geared?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 95GreenZ28;931163rive truck so im all over but finding a goo
    just run a ls2 timing chain. I am running the 231/237 cam with a ls2 timing chain. Man I wish you lived here and I would put it all in for you for cheap
    well yeah thats sucks live fartheraway id get you to install but i also want a good tune on it

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackls1ta View Post
    whats the lift on it will i still be able to get 420 at the wheels with that one?
    Ive got the TSP228R and made 411 hp through an automatic w/ bolt ons. Seeing your m6, I don't see why you couldn't hit 420.
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