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Texas Speed's New Magic Stick, ??60 rwhp??

This is a discussion on Texas Speed's New Magic Stick, ??60 rwhp?? within the Internal Engine forums, part of the LSx Technical Help Section category; Check this out... http://www.texas-speed.com/shop/item...d=666&catid=20 This new cam is supposed to give a stock '01 LS1 60 rwhp with no other ...

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    Texas Speed's New Magic Stick, ??60 rwhp??

    Check this out...
    http://www.texas-speed.com/shop/item...d=666&catid=20

    This new cam is supposed to give a stock '01 LS1 60 rwhp with no other mods! Anybody tried this cam? That sounds like a LOT of power to make with just a cam swap.
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    I have heard that, but it seems hard to believe. Normally it requires full bolt on to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roastem
    This new cam is supposed to give a stock '01 LS1 60 rwhp with no other mods! That sounds like a LOT of power to make with just a cam swap.
    Although they embellished on it's specs, this only tells part of the cams story. Plus, it would require a really good tune to see those numbers w/out bolt on's.

    Symmetry is always very key...

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    i guess where i miss the part where the motor in the pic and dyno video is a stock engine. unless a FAST 90/90, meziere electric water pump, no accessories, no belts, and headers come stock on our cars???

    Quote Originally Posted by TSP Website
    The MS4 camshaft is the result of extensive engine dyno testing & research! Engine dyno results have shown over 80 horsepower gains with no other changes on a stock 01 engine!!
    what does 'no other changes' mean? after all, i'm sure they didn't use stock springs and pushrods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff2002WS6
    My auto made 403 with the magic stick, long tubes, offroad y, and a lid.
    403 rwhp from a cam and bolt-ons!

    Damn, I chose the wrong cam. Only 372 rwhp, I am 25 rwhp off from your car, and we have the same mods.

    I got 10 more lb*ft though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrr23
    i guess where i miss the part where the motor in the pic and dyno video is a stock engine. unless a FAST 90/90, meziere electric water pump, no accessories, no belts, and headers come stock on our cars???





    what does 'no other changes' mean? after all, i'm sure they didn't use stock springs and pushrods.
    I know right. I thought "no other changes" means they got a bone stock LS1, changed the cam, and thrashed it on the dyno and got 60 rwhp. That really sounds far fetched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roastem
    403 rwhp from a cam and bolt-ons!

    Damn, I chose the wrong cam. Only 372 rwhp, I am 25 rwhp off from your car, and we have the same mods.
    01/02s seem to respond better to bolt ons due to the LS6 intake that came stock on them. Might be worth an upgrade

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff2002WS6
    01/02s seem to respond better to bolt ons due to the LS6 intake that came stock on them. Might be worth an upgrade
    Got the LS6 intake. Check out my mods on the first post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roastem
    Got the LS6 intake. Check out my mods on the first post.
    LOL, sorry. The magic stick is a BIG cam though. Specs are close to the X3. Speed Inc tuned it great though so it really drives a lot better than I expected. Peek Horsepower on my car was at 6,500 RPMs. It shifts at 6,600 now and let me tell you... I wet myself everytime I here that motor spin that fast

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff2002WS6
    LOL, sorry. The magic stick is a BIG cam though. Specs are close to the X3. Speed Inc tuned it great though so it really drives a lot better than I expected. Peek Horsepower on my car was at 6,500 RPMs. It shifts at 6,600 now and let me tell you... I wet myself everytime I here that motor spin that fast
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    IMO peak power doesn't mean doodie if you don't have any useable under the curve or through the rpm range you'll be in for the 1/4 mile

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadSeason
    IMO peak power doesn't mean doodie if you don't have any useable under the curve or through the rpm range you'll be in for the 1/4 mile
    You are right, I posted my rwhp numbers for my cam in another thread that I started when I was looking for a cam, and some dude said those numbers sucked considering I had all the supporting mods. But, the area under the curve is what matters. What a big cam gives you above 6 grand, is taking away from midrange numbers, which you will spend most of your time at. And you lose torque. The TQ curve for that cam was HIGH, and FLAT, all the way through the power band. That is where the seat of the pants power is felt. People tend to only look at peak numbers, for some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff2002WS6
    My auto made 403 with the magic stick, long tubes, offroad y, and a lid.

    what size cam was it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver04gto
    what size cam was it ?
    Cam Style: Hydraulic roller tappet
    Basic Operating RPM Range: 1,800-6,800 RPM
    Intake Duration 050 inch Lift: 222
    Exhaust Duration 050 inch Lift: 224
    Duration at 050 inch Lift: 222 int./224 exh.
    Advertised Intake Duration: 275
    Advertised Exhaust Duration: 277
    Advertised Duration: 275 int./277 exh.
    Intake Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.566
    Exhaust Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.568
    Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.566 int./0.568 exh. lift
    Lobe Separation (degrees): 112
    Intake Valve Lash (in): 0.000
    Exhaust Valve Lash (in): 0.000
    Computer Controlled: No
    Grind Number: LS1 XR275HR-12

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver04gto
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    TSP Magic Stick 114 LSA

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    THAT CAM IS STILL BETTER ON THE LOW END SIDE THAN THE STOCK CAM. REALLY WITH 410 GEARS ITS NO BIG DEAL CUZ WHEN YOU SHIFT YOUR IN THE 4000 RPM RANGE ALREADY IN THE NEXT GEAR

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    How would this cam work with a 150 wet shot and a good tunemy car has a 3600 stall an long tubes and xpipe with mufflers everything else is stock

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    ALLIED- SAY WITH THAT CAM YOU HAVE 400 RWHP PLUS A 150 SHOT-TNT ESTIMATES ARE USUALLY CLOSER TO THE ACTUAL RWHP RATING THAN OTHERS SO-400 PLUS 150 EQUALS 550 - CANT SAY ITS EXACT BUT 550 RWHP PLUS YOU CAN EXPECT ABOUT 600 RWTQ WITH N20-ID SAY ON THE BOTTLE YOU CAN MAKE ALMOST 650 FWHP CAN WE SAY SMALL BLOCK EUPHORIA(hope thats spelled right)

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