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This is a discussion on Streetable HeadsCam Setup within the Internal Engine forums, part of the LSx Technical Help Section category; Originally Posted by Bouvs sounds awesome I REALLY need to find out what you're putting down... two questions you milled ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bouvs View Post
    sounds awesome I REALLY need to find out what you're putting down...
    two questions you milled the decks on the AFR's from 66cc to 62cc? what was your compression ratio before and after?

    secondly how do you find the drivability of the car? taking off does it need quite a bit of gas, whats the LSA on that cam? and the rest of the specs on it...
    it was right close to 10 to 1 before now its 11 to 1 i only run 93 sunoco and it rips ass,driveability is great just depends on the tuner,specs are 224/227 563/569 114 lsa,still has a little chop at idle which mine is set at 850,my 26lb injectors are maxed at 110 which shud be no more than 85% so i oredered new 30lbs,hope this helps,also upgrade to ls7 lifters will saVE YOU HASSLE IF YOU WAnt a bigger cam later.

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    thanks for the info. and congrats

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    I run TSP's torquer cam(232/234 .598/.598) on a 112 lsa coupled with a 3400 stall, fast 90/90, stg 2 heads, ls7 lifters, crane dual springs with titanium retainers, hardened pushrods, and a couple other things. It is very street friendly and it makes 422rwhp, 384rwtq. Love it so far, may even do up a 100 shot in the future when I have more money, rigt now I'm broke due to all the mods.

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    although I appreciate your response I doubt I will ever go that high of lift, that low of an LSA in my car... I think we differ slightly in what we considered street friendly :P but nonetheless I love your numbers and I'm sure you do too :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by 98formy View Post
    I run TSP's torquer cam(232/234 .598/.598) on a 112 lsa coupled with a 3400 stall, fast 90/90, stg 2 heads, ls7 lifters, crane dual springs with titanium retainers, hardened pushrods, and a couple other things. It is very street friendly and it makes 422rwhp, 384rwtq. Love it so far, may even do up a 100 shot in the future when I have more money, rigt now I'm broke due to all the mods.
    You've got some very similar mods to my car.
    2000 Z28: Accufab 4150, Vic Jr. 150 shot, Patriot stg 2 heads, big cam, FLT Stg VI 4L60, S60 rear. Waaay more stuff to list. 3100 LBS.

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    Yeah, we have pretty much the same setup, I just love it too.

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    Agree with you there.

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    To OP - I am thinking about AFR 205 also and in talking to Thunder Racing and also doing a little research on another site about Tony Mamo - one of the main guys at AFR - they both suggest a 224/228 cam with those heads for a great street combo. I think the split is to maximize the better exhaust flow on those heads. Talk to sponsors - they will steer you right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 98formy View Post
    I run TSP's torquer cam(232/234 .598/.598) on a 112 lsa coupled with a 3400 stall, fast 90/90, stg 2 heads, ls7 lifters, crane dual springs with titanium retainers, hardened pushrods, and a couple other things. It is very street friendly and it makes 422rwhp, 384rwtq. Love it so far, may even do up a 100 shot in the future when I have more money, rigt now I'm broke due to all the mods.
    I'm looking to eventually get my motor built up to about the same level as yours, right now its just a bolt on car. if you don't mind me asking about how much money do you have in stall, cam, heads, and supporting internal parts.... I think I'm going to be saving up for awhile before I break the motor open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robdawg13 View Post
    To OP - I am thinking about AFR 205 also and in talking to Thunder Racing and also doing a little research on another site about Tony Mamo - one of the main guys at AFR - they both suggest a 224/228 cam with those heads for a great street combo. I think the split is to maximize the better exhaust flow on those heads. Talk to sponsors - they will steer you right.
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    X2 And who knows better what cams work best with these heads than the man who designed them? Pick a cam with exhaust bias for sure

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    if your going to spend the money on AFR heads, buy ET Performance heads instead. They are the best heads out there, best valve angle and flow the best!!!

    in regards to the cam, yeah a 224 cam with a 114lsa will idle less choppy then a 112or 110 cam and definitely be more streatable (near stock feel)

    remember alot of it, comes down to how good your tuner is!



    I'm running a 231/237 cam, makes great numbers on the dyno and at the track, but definitely is not the best for street manners!
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    Well heres some news I have been given a good deal on a set of TrickFlow heads for a reasonable price or so it seems. I want to hear any info. on them that people can offer. I've come to the assesment that they will net me about 10ft.lbs less but about 30hp more... is this true are they really as good as they're made out to be? I don't want to hurt the drivability of my car...

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    trickflow heads are a good upgrade but as for anything in performance, you get what you pay for. You can definately get a better set than the trickflow, but you will pay alot more for them and for what you are doing i doubt you will ever need anything more than them...especially if you are getting a deal on them

    Just to let you know, when I get money saved up I am probably going with the trickflow heads along with some other goodies

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    Bouvs, I dunno about the Trickflow heads, but after doing a bit of research on the AFR205s, it seems that they like the 224/228 split duration cam - AFR actually recommend it.

    I am running ETP215s on mine, milled to 62cc and 11:1 SCR. I've done a heap of simulations using desktop dyno and the cam that came out best for me for good manners and good under the curve power for daily driven street duties is a 224/228 @112+2 lsa. I'm going for XFI int and XE-R exh lobes, for a bit of extra lift to help cylinder fill and dynamic compression. I expect that it will drive very well after a tune and prove reliable and street-friendly.

    I reckon that 230+ are too big for true street manual cars, as they lose a lot of low to midrange torque compared to the smaller cams.

    My 2c and good luck with your decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macca33 View Post
    I reckon that 230+ are too big for true street manual cars, as they lose a lot of low to midrange torque compared to the smaller cams.
    Hmm, I never noticed.

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    From what I have noticed it really depends the most on the tuner. I have driven some cars that I would not have believed their cam was what it is by their street manners. Of course I have had that experience work in both ways unfortunately.

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    If your gonna go AFR go split cam.

    ETP and TFS are also both great heads and you can't go wrong here either. I would have gone with TEA ported TFS if money were no object. Great low/mid lift #'s and flows 317cfm at .600 I didn't think you were considering these in your original post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SOMbitch View Post
    If your gonna go AFR go split cam.

    ETP and TFS are also both great heads and you can't go wrong here either. I would have gone with TEA ported TFS if money were no object. Great low/mid lift #'s and flows 317cfm at .600 I didn't think you were considering these in your original post?
    well I wasn't but I told myself that if I can get TF heads for cheaper then AFR I would atleast consider them, so here I am. I don't know for a second there I thought I was sold on them but now I'm just not sure. I think AFR's are still what would best suit my build. Interesting information on the split cam though.

    Anymore talk about it is greatly appreciated by me!

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    afrs are the best thats why i have them,spend the money and you will get results even with a mild cam.

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    Just buy some lightly ported ls6 heads Dan. There can't be that much difference between a ported ls6 head and an afr head.

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