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    You can pick up a new fast 92 but you're gonna pay over 900 and you still need a TB. Like everyone else said, LS6 would probably be the best for you. If you really want it to look different get it painted

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    how about my stock gears? I believe I have 3:23s. Is that enough gear, or am I gonna experience problems with a ratio that high?

    Also is it safe to be doing mods this extensive on a car with this kind of mileage?(128k) I'm worried about all the dyno time the tune is going to invlove. The shop that's tuning my car(LSx Powersports) said it would take roughly 2hrs on the dyno to tune the car. Is that safe? Last thing I want is to dump $1600 into my ws6 and then have it blow on the dyno that same day lol.

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    Not sure about the cam you are getting but Vengeance racing told me for the cam I want (Vindicator cam), which is 240/244, 3.73 gears would be great.
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    I would put a lower ratio gear in personally. Ex: 373 or even a 410.
    It's on jackstands.

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    I used this cam on a 114 LSA and am going back with it on my rebuild. I did change out intakes to an LS6 and changed gears to 4.11's with a built automatic and 3600 stall and would not hesitate to drive it daily if I had to. It was tuned pretty good, I could start it from outside the car even cold without issue and it would idle fine at redlights with the AC still blowing. It did not like going 30 mph, I'm not going to lie, it bucked a bit until I eased up a MPH or 2 but other than that I loved it and am going back with the same build this go around (2nd gear drop at 80 MPH and 4.11's with this cam, even with the dual springs, causes massive PTV issues I can garuntee it!).

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    Oooo that sounds scary. How do I go about dealing with that? Last thing I want is for them to collide, causing a mini atom bomb to go off in my engine lol

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    Dont forget that if you get a huge cam you are going to lose alot down low. I know alot of people that regret over camming their car. MS3 is not streetable imo. There are alot of mild cammed cars that out run the big donkey cams around here.

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    see that's the thing, i've been getting a huge variety of opinions regarding the ms3. Both shop owners i've spoken too say that the cam will work just fine for a daily driver, and that it isn't as big of a cam as it may look on paper. And then on the other hand I've had several people tell me that they would advise something smaller for a DD. I'm 2 weeks away from calling the shop and ordering everything, but I'm not exactly sure what I want lol

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    What some consider streetable might be completely different from your opinion. I suggest seeing if there are any people in your area willing to give you a spin in their car so you can get an idea of how aggressive you are willing to go. Ask the shop to check into previous customers, check the forum for local people that have done similar modifications to their car. Maybe you get lucky. You might find something you thought you wanted might drive you nuts in the long run.

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    Ok so I ordered the MS3 today, double valve springs, pushrods, and ls2 timing chain. My question is, do I really need to go with a higher volume oil pump? My pressure currently holds at 60psi around idle, so do I still need a ported ls6 pump?

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    dropped off at the shop the other day. will post dyno tune vid and start up vid later this week. Sadly I won't be there for the dyno or first start, work and school
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    I would highly suggest an upgraded oil pump. You will already be right there. Have it upgraded now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 35th-ANV-SS View Post
    I would highly suggest an upgraded oil pump. You will already be right there. Have it upgraded now.
    I am upgrading it, it was mentioned in the part list above your post

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    I have the TSP 228R and its the biggest I would ever consider for a street car. Its perfect because it didnt lose any low end and gained 50rwh up top.

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    OMG the car is an absolute monster. With the ls1 intake on its best-hot-run it made 380rwhp and 427tq. It's very driveable in stop and go, just takes some getting used to, as long as you aren't trying to cruise in 1st or 2nd gear at a low rpm, it's absolutely fine. I'll be throwing on a LS6 or FAST intake here in a month or so. The shop owner said the RWHP would get north of 400 with any kind of better intake other than the ls1

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    hmm that torque number seems really high. 380 is pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike0202 View Post
    hmm that torque number seems really high. 380 is pretty good.
    I've got a dyno sheet of one of the runs, where it made 377/427, not it's best run, but up there.

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    I've got a dyno sheet of one of the runs, where it made 377/427, not it's best run, but up there.
    Yeah dyno numbers are crazy anyway. Ive seen 285wh ls1's out run another with 340wh. I try not to look into the numbers much anymore.

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    Those are some good numbers

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    thanks, yeah I take dyno numbers with a grain of salt, they vary hugely depending on the dyno. Sadly I can't take it to the track to see what it can do. I fear for the rear end

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