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    Question Patriot or Edelbrock

    Given the choice, which heads would you choose??
    And why? Can't just say one sucks and the other doesn't without reason

    Any dyno numbers to compare both?


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    I know for one Edelbrock doesn't make Crap and I've heard of several people making good power off of Patriots. So your wallet might be making your choice for you.
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    Patriots will be the best bang for the buck.

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    Agreed, Patriots rule for the price.

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    y not Frost?


    BTW I got patriots

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    I've kind of beat it up here on this site... Ya know it's odd too, out of all of the LSx sites, this one is the ONLY one that carries so much love for patriot heads.

    I don't like them because I have seen their mediocre results first hand. It's true, about 1 out of 5 sets makes some power, but for the most part, budget heads make budget power. One of the first cars I worked with them on was an 04 Z06 that made a whopping 3rwhp after taking off his OEM 243s for some "stg. 2 LS6" patriot heads. Another 224 cammed & boltons car picked up only 10rwhp. The next 3 boltons/cam/patriot headed cars (all f-bodies) that couldn't break the 400rwhp mark, and they were ALL 6-speed cars with 10-bolt rears. For all of those failures, a single set on an 02 TA with LTs/ORY and boltons and a 224/228 cam made 427rwhp. Those were good numbers, the rest were not.

    The reason I don't like them is that the majority of the sets I have tuned have made much less than the owners anticipated and once or twice even left them doubting me... The very first set I tuned came back 5 months later and asked me to reload his file. He took his car to another tuner after me and it made +/- a few, the same thing on another dynojet224, but his street manners were ruined, the car bucked like mad. The guy was very humble and apologetic even, so I just loaded him back up. I felt bad for him, which is why I warn others about them. If you are gonna get ported OEM castings, TEA, PRC, and MTI's worked castings have always done very well and they aren't that much more.

    If you are gonna plunk change on Edelbrocks, why not AFR or TFS? Has anyone even seen any Edelbrock LS1 dyno sheets?

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    with those heads and my 224 cam I made 405. So I guess you're saying they are hit and miss with quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chieftransam View Post
    with those heads and my 224 cam I made 405. So I guess you're saying they are hit and miss with quality.

    Exactly. The last similar setup to yours that I tuned made 403rwhp, was an M6, 224 cam, ls6 intake, TEA stg. 1 heads, LTs & ORY. Just some perspective.

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    How about these??
    I see the last line says "race only" ???? So are these more high rpm/ low torque kinda thing?

    GM PART # 88958622
    DESCRIPTION: CYLINDER HEAD
    This cylinder head starts with the production LS6 cylinder head and is then CNC ported for maximum flow. It is the cylinder head of choice for Corvette showroom stock road racing. With this cylinder head and the ASA camshaft, Gen 3 engines can approach 500 horsepower in racing applications. This cylinder head includes production LS6 valve springs and valves. Technical Notes: These ported heads are race only. Not for street usage.

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    Or these maybe?
    GM PART # 12564824
    DESCRIPTION: LS6 head assembly
    This cylinder head is used on 2002 Corvettes with 405 HP RPO LS6. The LS6 cylinder head can be used on any Gen 3 design V8 block. This LS6 head is emission legal on the 2002-2003 Corvette only. It includes the following items: 12564825 Head - Bare 12565313 Valve Spring 10166344 Cap, Valve Spring, capable of 550" lift cam 12565311 Valve, Intake, light weight 12565312 Valve, Exhaust, light weight, sodium filled, hollow stem 10166345 Key, Valve Stem 12482063 Oil Seal, Intake 12482062 Oil Seal, Exhaust

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    I might be jacking this thread but what about PRC's? I've had my eye on these for awhile. any input?
    http://texas-speed.com/shop/item.asp?itemid=84&catid=20

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    Quote Originally Posted by fbodynut View Post
    Or these maybe?
    GM PART # 12564824
    DESCRIPTION: LS6 head assembly
    This cylinder head is used on 2002 Corvettes with 405 HP RPO LS6. The LS6 cylinder head can be used on any Gen 3 design V8 block. This LS6 head is emission legal on the 2002-2003 Corvette only. It includes the following items: 12564825 Head - Bare 12565313 Valve Spring 10166344 Cap, Valve Spring, capable of 550" lift cam 12565311 Valve, Intake, light weight 12565312 Valve, Exhaust, light weight, sodium filled, hollow stem 10166345 Key, Valve Stem 12482063 Oil Seal, Intake 12482062 Oil Seal, Exhaust

    Sorry, I didn't mean to get away from the edelbrock/patriot comparo.
    Maybe I should start another thread??

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    Quote Originally Posted by fbodynut View Post
    Sorry, I didn't mean to get away from the edelbrock/patriot comparo.
    Maybe I should start another thread??
    It's your thread boss, take it in any direction you like; it's clearly the same subject

    Seriously, if you guys know where some edelbrock dynojet numbers are, I'd like to see them.. are these heads even available?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frost View Post
    Exactly. The last similar setup to yours that I tuned made 403rwhp, was an M6, 224 cam, ls6 intake, TEA stg. 1 heads, LTs & ORY. Just some perspective.
    Through a stg Iv A4 and a Moser 12 bolt I put down 403/436 with an Ls1 Edit tune. 224/230 cam, Patriot Stage II Ls6 heads, 90/90, Pacesetter Long Tubes and TSP True Duals. And my buddy is putting down 443 with a 224 and the same heads M6. Thanks for the OPINION.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FuhBreezeE View Post
    ...... Thanks for the OPINION.
    First hand experience is an opinion huh? That's great that you made decent numbers with them but it's too bad that everyone doesn't.

    You are an A4 so here's one for you; a black 02SS I tuned not long ago made 401/434 on a dynojet224 with a yank 3800, g5x1 cam on a 112LSA, STOCK heads and a Fast 90, and ran some 11.3x's with it too. With a good set of heads his car will run 10s.

    I can go over to another LS1 site and link you to half dozen easy to find dyno threads where people had much less than stellar results with those heads. I'm sorry that you don't like to hear that, but people need to know all of the facts before spending their $$.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frost View Post
    First hand experience is an opinion huh? That's great that you made decent numbers with them but it's too bad that everyone doesn't.

    You are an A4 so here's one for you; a black 02SS I tuned not long ago made 401/434 on a dynojet224 with a yank 3800, g5x1 cam on a 112LSA, STOCK heads and a Fast 90, and ran some 11.3x's with it too. With a good set of heads his car will run 10s.

    I can go over to another LS1 site and link you to half dozen easy to find dyno threads where people had much less than stellar results with those heads. I'm sorry that you don't like to hear that, but people need to know all of the facts before spending their $$.
    Skewed numbers much? Glad he ran those times, but something isn't adding up there. LG's cams aren't anything to lose your mind over.

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    personally i have had nothing shy of a great experience with my patriot heads and the rest of my setup as a whole. i bought my patriots brand new off a member of this sight for $900 bucks. though my numbers arent 'typical' in regards to the nature of my mods, the proof is there...

    Frost and I have exhausted each other over this, but we have come to the agreement that they 'could' be hit and miss with 'some' applications...

    i cant speak about Edlebrock heads, as i dont personally know anyone who runs them. to the OP, do your research and figure out what your goals are with your car and then decide on your own if dropping $1000 or more for heads that might give you 5rwhp more is worth it, because there are people out there who have used high dollar heads and have experienced the same 'lack of gains' (5-10rwhp gains over thier previous setup) as those with budget heads...

    it boils down to this: poor gains after installing any aftermarket heads will leave a bitter taste in one's mouth...
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