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    what are the main risks i'm taking to install this cam? ex. you mentioned "blowing" something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddierox
    Much like the idle of a hyperventilating Pro Stock or even top fueler.

    Anything under 114 LSA (113,112,110) will require an edit of your computer.
    This is edit is critical and you will blow a motor very quicky if not professionally done.

    If you do not know what you are doing, do not even attempt this swap.
    There is much much more to this than just a cam swap like the good 'ol days.

    The safest way to go is a Z06 cam.
    It will give you up to 50 more HP safely and much much better driveability as if your car came came from the factory this way .. just like a Z06.

    Most of the advice you're going to get here are from hot rod heads who started out exactly like this cam swap .. then go on to spend thousands & thousands of dollars .. ending up turning their daily driver into a Friday night special only waiting to break something expensive ... and this is what this cam will do to your vehicle .. that is after you install the necessary springs, lifters, retainers, heads, modded Throttle Body & MAF, an LS6 manifold, custom exhaust, trans, body & chassis and especially differential reinforcement .... am I forgetting anything?

    I like see'g these modded vehicles for sale for ridiculously high prices disguised as their "labor of love" and it "pains them" to sell it ..

    Total BS .. the car became a nightmare ..
    50 rwhp from an Z06 cam= bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nhraformula
    50 rwhp from an Z06 cam= bullshit.
    Learn to read and comprehend Dorkus : I said "UP to 50 HP"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snake Eater
    what are the main risks i'm taking to install this cam? ex. you mentioned "blowing" something.
    I'l start posting links here for you to digress in getting a good command of what goes on with your anticipated swap.

    http://www.compcams.com/catalog/

    http://chevyhiperformance.com/techarticles/86218/

    http://www.themotorbookstore.com/ls1...8-engines.html

    http://www.motorsporttech.com/fbody_engine01.asp
    Last edited by eddierox; 10-06-2005 at 02:13 PM.

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    Well, I agree that snake man is an ass for saying "I'm buying this bigass cam, but I don't know what LSA and centerline mean" or something to that effect. The point should be to keep things in perspective. It's easy to say I want that one because the numbers are awesome, but you must account for other components of the car, and at the very least, understand how it will affect the rest of your car. Do some research, there is a ton of good info out here, all you have to do is look.

    Eddirrox, I think your point is well taken, but exaggerated a bit. There are many reasons why SLP or whomever didn't produce a 400hp Camaro, but hot rodding, and modding have been around for years, and I'm sure it will continue for many more. The entire aftermarket wouldn't exist if your views were the norm.

    GM or SLP didn't sell them as race cars, if you choose to race yours, expect things to break sooner or later, and if you decide to mod yours, keep it realistic and have a plan, not just jump at something because some website said it will add 1000hp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcamp001
    Well, I agree that snake man is an ass for saying "I'm buying this bigass cam, but I don't know what LSA and centerline mean" or something to that effect. The point should be to keep things in perspective. It's easy to say I want that one because the numbers are awesome, but you must account for other components of the car, and at the very least, understand how it will affect the rest of your car. Do some research, there is a ton of good info out here, all you have to do is look.
    Kind of a shmoozy recap of what I've been saying .. but let him buy the bigass cam and try to install it himself .. thats how you find out ... and the hard way .. what is involved.

    Eddirrox, I think your point is well taken, but exaggerated a bit. There are many reasons why SLP or whomever didn't produce a 400hp Camaro, but hot rodding, and modding have been around for years, and I'm sure it will continue for many more. The entire aftermarket wouldn't exist if your views were the norm.
    Obviously you've never done an LS1 mod nor even know what SLP is so it looks like you need a little study .. here you go ..

    http://www.slponline.com/

    GM or SLP didn't sell them as race cars, if you choose to race yours, expect things to break sooner or later, and if you decide to mod yours, keep it realistic and have a plan, not just jump at something because some website said it will add 1000hp.
    There you go .. Einstein here just gave you "awesome & enthralling" advice based on 85 years of autobuilding based on the laws of physics studied the last 500 years .. all in 1 sentence ..


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    Quote Originally Posted by eddierox
    Learn to read and comprehend Dorkus : I said "UP to 50 HP"
    fuckin newbies talking shit.
    up to 50 horsepower, i still call bullshit.
    avarage gains in h.p are about 30 max.
    i didnt get 50 rwhp with my 224/224 cam which is way bigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddierox


    Obviously you've never done an LS1 mod nor even know what SLP is so it looks like you need a little study .. here you go ..

    http://www.slponline.com/

    lol, dont forget that slp headers add 58 rwhp either.
    anybody that would even read slp bullshit is an idiot.
    btw, show me where slp made production cars that made 400 h.p

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhraformula
    fuckin newbies talking shit.
    up to 50 horsepower, i still call bullshit.
    avarage gains in h.p are about 30 max.
    i didnt get 50 rwhp with my 224/224 cam which is way bigger.
    Heres' the example of a hot rod head who doesn't know what hes' doing ..

    He went out and bought himself a bigass camshaft and stuck it in his motor. But he forgot ... more likely he didn't give a damn .. that the heads are still flowing stock cc's probably through a stock LS1 intake using a stock TB & MAF .. maybe he has a better free'r flowing air intake using stock delco plugs & wires and probably with stock exhaust.
    Probably even forgot the edit .. on and on and on ..

    In essence, he's throwing a bowling ball through a pinhole.

    So what hes doing here is disguising his frustration with stupidity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nhraformula
    lol, dont forget that slp headers add 58 rwhp either.
    anybody that would even read slp bullshit is an idiot.
    btw, show me where slp made production cars that made 400 h.p
    Hers' the basic 400 HP SLP power pac.
    http://www.slponline.com/view_product.asp?P=28036

    Notice the components of the package.
    Not one engine internal in sight except the rockers .. which I recommned you do and forget the big cam and/or add the cam with these components for a safe and realiable 400- 500 HP.

    .. or you can listen to this hot rod head geekazoid with his bigass 30 HP cam ..


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    Quote Originally Posted by eddierox
    Heres' the example of a hot rod head who doesn't know what hes' doing ..

    He went out and bought himself a bigass camshaft and stuck it in his motor. But he forgot ... more likely he didn't give a damn .. that the heads are still flowing stock cc's probably through a stock LS1 intake using a stock TB & MAF .. maybe he has a better free'r flowing air intake using stock delco plugs & wires and probably with stock exhaust.
    Probably even forgot the edit .. on and on and on ..

    In essence, he's throwing a bowling ball through a pinhole.

    So what hes doing here is disguising his frustration with stupidity.

    lol, ive been posting on this board since 2000.
    youre favorite band mr. rox must be tool, because you are one.
    a 224/224 581/581 114 lsa is far from a bigass camshaft.
    as a matter of fact, the 224 is the benchmark of all cams, but im sure you already knew that.
    personally i didnt install my camshaft, dual springs, ti retainers, ls6 oil pump or ls2 timing chain, speed inc. did.
    oh, lets not forget the ls6 intake, pacesetters long tubes, h.p tuners edit, volant cai, stall converter they installed either.
    as for stupidity, you get that award.
    anybody who would call a 224 cam big doesnt have a fuckin clue of what they are talking about, keep on talking

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddierox
    Hers' the basic 400 HP SLP power pac.
    http://www.slponline.com/view_product.asp?P=28036

    Notice the components of the package.
    Not one engine internal in sight except the rockers .. which I recommned you do and forget the big cam and/or add the cam with these components for a safe and realiable 400- 500 HP.

    .. or you can listen to this hot rod head geekazoid with his bigass 30 HP cam ..

    Quote Originally Posted by eddierox
    Learn to read and comprehend Dorkus : I said "UP to 50 HP"
    im using youre own quote against you.


    Quote Originally Posted by eddierox

    Now SLP adds their components to the LS1 camaro at the factory but it all adds up to under 400 HP.
    i said show me a production slp car that made 400 h.p

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    lol, ive been posting on this board since 2000.
    youre favorite band mr. rox must be tool, because you are one.
    a 224/224 581/581 114 lsa is far from a bigass camshaft.
    as a matter of fact, the 224 is the benchmark of all cams, but im sure you already knew that.
    personally i didnt install my camshaft, dual springs, ti retainers, ls6 oil pump or ls2 timing chain, speed inc. did.
    oh, lets not forget the ls6 intake, pacesetters long tubes, h.p tuners edit, volant cai, stall converter they installed either.
    as for stupidity, you get that award.
    anybody who would call a 224 cam big doesnt have a fuckin clue of what they are talking about, keep on talking
    Finally, something I can agree with in this thread, lol

    What cam did you install ? I am doing a 230/230/114/591 right now, and yes, I have supporting mods to handle it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcamp001
    Finally, something I can agree with in this thread, lol

    What cam did you install ? I am doing a 230/230/114/591 right now, and yes, I have supporting mods to handle it.
    speed inc installed my comp cams 224/224 581/581 114 lsa cam.
    with a tune, youll be fine.
    are you a stick or A4?

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    M6, dyno and tune on Saturday. I should be right at 390-395rw

    since when did this board re-opening turn into romper room?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcamp001
    M6, dyno and tune on Saturday. I should be right at 390-395rw

    since when did this board re-opening turn into romper room?
    with a six speed, youll be fine with that cam.

    as for romper room, to many teenagers are posting here nowadays, thats why old time posters like myself rarely post here anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhraformula
    lol, ive been posting on this board since 2000.
    youre favorite band mr. rox must be tool, because you are one.
    a 224/224 581/581 114 lsa is far from a bigass camshaft.
    as a matter of fact, the 224 is the benchmark of all cams, but im sure you already knew that.
    personally i didnt install my camshaft, dual springs, ti retainers, ls6 oil pump or ls2 timing chain, speed inc. did.
    oh, lets not forget the ls6 intake, pacesetters long tubes, h.p tuners edit, volant cai, stall converter they installed either.
    as for stupidity, you get that award.
    anybody who would call a 224 cam big doesnt have a fuckin clue of what they are talking about, keep on talking
    Z06 CAM SPECS:
    218/204 DURATION AT .050
    .550/.550 LIFT
    117.5 LOBE SEPERATION
    LS6 SPRINGS ARE GOOD TO .570 LIFT

    Good for up "UP TO 50 HP" with no other mods, not even an edit needed, total reliability with burnouts with near infinite top end ... over and over, no sweat.
    Price: $300 on Ebay

    And you see what happens when you spend thousands and thousands .. you become an instant authority and you don't even have to post time slips nor lie about your great racing epochs .. just wave your wand and have infinite HP and then get on the mic and use any slang you want ..

    I am curious about one thing though ... how have you been posting here since 2000 when this forum has only been in existence 2 months ..

    ... well there you have it .. wave your wand and POOF .. "I've got to figure out my next comback .. "

    damn that eddierox and rolls you ..


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    dude, you really don't have a freakin clue, do you? Let me guess, you're 17, or 18?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcamp001
    dude, you really don't have a freakin clue, do you? Let me guess, you're 17, or 18?
    Maybe you should change your name to ni'mCAMpoop ..

    hee hee ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddierox
    Z06 CAM SPECS:
    218/204 DURATION AT .050
    .550/.550 LIFT
    117.5 LOBE SEPERATION
    LS6 SPRINGS ARE GOOD TO .570 LIFT

    Good for up "UP TO 50 HP" with no other mods, not even an edit needed, total reliability with burnouts with near infinite top end ... over and over, no sweat.
    Price: $300 on Ebay
    talk to sky042 or ed blown vert, they are the powers to be.
    the old server lost all of its info because the owner didnt pay the server bill.
    this forum, ls1.com has been around since 1998.
    once again you show youre a newbie who knows nothing.

    btw, ebay is a great place to get camshaft performance
    i will also be at 41 dragway this sunday morning, its in indiana.
    why dont you bring youre highly modded f-body
    Last edited by nhraformula; 10-06-2005 at 06:32 PM.

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