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My 6 Liter 403ci Build

This is a discussion on My 6 Liter 403ci Build within the Internal Engine forums, part of the LSx Technical Help Section category; Will putting the pick up tube onto the pump....

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    Will putting the pick up tube onto the pump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMWS6TA View Post
    well it looks like we have a candidate..

    Hard to tell but the timing chain on the right side is wedged against the dampner while the left side is loose, quite a bit of movement
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    All that's left is to remove the bracket and replace the cam plate bolts, then button it all back up.


    Need some suggestions on how to get the oil pump bolt back on. We dropped the pan enough to get it off but getting it on is going to be an entirely different animal.
    Surprised about that damper, same setup I'm running and so far so good.
    As far as the oil pickup, small fingers and a ratchet wrench have gotten the job done for me several times. Have too be extra careful not to drop the bolt in the pan.

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    I'm hoping this is the issue, but I'm preparing myself to a need to pull the motor. If it doesn't fix it then I have no choice but too.


    I stuffed rags underneath the pump to prevent it from dropping in. I have bear paws for hands so I'm going to need my son or wife to do it. I read on install university to use a wire tie (like on bread bags) to help hold in place. I used the gear wrench to get it off. I'll try Orion's trick with tape on one side to hold in the wrench.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SMWS6TA View Post
    I'm hoping this is the issue, but I'm preparing myself to a need to pull the motor. If it doesn't fix it then I have no choice but too.


    I stuffed rags underneath the pump to prevent it from dropping in. I have bear paws for hands so I'm going to need my son or wife to do it. I read on install university to use a wire tie (like on bread bags) to help hold in place. I used the gear wrench to get it off. I'll try Orion's trick with tape on one side to hold in the wrench.
    wiring of some sort that you can bend, a ratchet wrench, and a telescoping magnet got the job done for me. I would rather just pull the motor still lol.
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    I remember hearing all the horror stories of this bolt and when I did mine it was cake walk. I either got real lucky or other people got real unlucky. Mine threaded right in with no problems. I'd rather do this bolt twice than to do the tranny dipstick bolt on an auto once.

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    Got 2 out 3 bolts loosen, of course one has to round out the hex hole. I may have to dremel the head off and use vice grips to pull the rest out.


    Also it was an excuse to spend $150 on tools

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    I noticed last night I was light on 1/2" drive sockets.

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    i thought you were putting the oil pickup tube in? What hex bolts are you rounding off now? You need to print you up a shirt that says "Monkey and Football"

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    The trick flow kit requires/comes with button head bolts that you use on the bottom 3 holes of the cam plate in order for the bracket to mount and clear the cam gear. I'll post a pic later.

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    I got the bolts out. Here you can see what I was dealing with...







    This was the bolt that round off. I cut the top with a dremel and hit it with a punch on the left side and it broke free.



    Bracket is removed and ARP Cam Plate bolts installed.

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    I don't want to hear "oh it's not that difficult, you just need to drop the oil pan" SCREW YOU ALL!!!!

    First the asshole engineer that designed the damn thing, He/she needs to be run over with cleats tipped with steel spikes.

    Took 4 hours to get that damn bolt on.


    It honestly took less time to tighten all the oil pan bolts, engine mounts that I loosen but didn't need to, install the HB and torque it to 250 ft lbs and reinstall the ac then it did to get that MF <cussing> bolt. Then my son trolls me by joking asking if he gets it in if i would buy him a PS4 game....



    stopping here, I'm spent. Besides I'm looking for water pump gaskets now...

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    4 hours? and this is your second time doing it right? By your post I'm guessing you didn't loosen the pan so you could drop the front down a couple inches? There's your problem. Another step but it evidently would've saved you 3 hours and 45 minutes.

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    1st time doing it in the car.

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    I thought the best trick was dropping the pan a touch and then holding onto the bolt with some small diamater wire wrapped around it once and pliable enough that after the bolt is started you can pull the wire off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pajeff02 View Post
    I thought the best trick was dropping the pan a touch and then holding onto the bolt with some small diamater wire wrapped around it once and pliable enough that after the bolt is started you can pull the wire off?
    did that. you pretty much need to remove the bolts all the way and then turn them 3 turns back in. Otherwise it will not give enough room.



    Well I'm defeated....engine is getting pulled.


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    Easier to simply hang the engine and drop the K:


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    Now that's an option I didn't think of....

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    It's a lot less work than yanking the engine imo.

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    I haven't forgotten to do this, just been busy. So I'm trying one last time and changing the lifters, it's the only thing left on the top end side.

    I picked up some LS7 lifters and pulled the heads last Saturday. Just waiting on new gaskets to come in.

    For some reason I can't get the head off the drivers side with the studs in. The headers are catching the base of the head and nothing I do can get it out of the way just short of removing the header. Even then no sure if that would work.

    I ended up pulling the bottom and center row of studs to pull the head.
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    Sorry I haven't posted any updates for a while because I was so pissed off I had to walk away for a while before I broke something. I picked up some LS7 lifters and threw them in last wk. This is my last attempt, otherwise the engine get's pulled. If it's pulled I'll be very tempted to say screw it and go all out to a 408ci build. All I need is to bore the block, get new pistons & crank. My rods are already 6.125".

    I also install the heads but need to tq them down. still. Sep/Oct didn't have any free time to do anything but now that it's slowing down I'm getting motivated to get back into it. That plus I picked up something from Will that is motivating me to get busy, I bought his FAST 102.

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    just received a little motivation....


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