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Magic stick 4 cam help

This is a discussion on Magic stick 4 cam help within the Internal Engine forums, part of the LSx Technical Help Section category; Hey guys I was just curious what gear everyone is running and fuel and timing setups would help....

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    Magic stick 4 cam help

    Hey guys I was just curious what gear everyone is running and fuel and timing setups would help.

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    I have a MS3 which is just a tad smaller . Gears are 4.11's, 3600 stall, couldn't tell you the timing specs as someone else did the the tune. Just TR55 plugs and MSD superconductor wires nothing special there. As far as fuel setup I have a racetronix 110 pump and 42 lb injectors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slims00ls1z28 View Post
    I have a MS3 which is just a tad smaller . Gears are 4.11's, 3600 stall, couldn't tell you the timing specs as someone else did the the tune. Just TR55 plugs and MSD superconductor wires nothing special there. As far as fuel setup I have a racetronix 110 pump and 42 lb injectors.
    How do you like the 4.11's?

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    I'm running the MS4, but timing and fuel are specific to each particular engine and will not be the same between ANY 2 vehicles. Works well with my 4000 stall and 3.73s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28 View Post
    I'm running the MS4, but timing and fuel are specific to each particular engine and will not be the same between ANY 2 vehicles. Works well with my 4000 stall and 3.73s.
    I'm thinking of running a 4.10, do you thing the 3.73 is enough gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fraz1le View Post
    I'm thinking of running a 4.10, do you thing the 3.73 is enough gear.
    For what I want out of the car it's perfect. You may be different. We still know nothing about your engine or driveline, or the rest of your car for that matter.

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    3.73 here (M6 though), 42# injectors otherwise stock fuel.
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    I have 4000 stall, Lt's, x-pipe, lid, pulley, and 85mm tb, and soon a ms4 just trying to get the gear thats going to get the best time.

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    That's easy... 3.73 for a street car, or 4.10s for a track car and a broken 10 bolt

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    Don't say dirty stuff like that, Its handled a 100 shot off the line so I hope it holds up for at least 3 or 4 trips if not I have another 10 bolt to go back in
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    i have a ms4 cam with a m6 with 4.30 gears 12 bolt with the 255 pump and hot wire kit with 30 lbs injectors dart heads fast 90/90 combo merize ls1 pump slp under drive pulley crane gold rockers msd coils car dyno at 26 degress of timing 13.50 on the fuel curve went 467 on motor 428 torque with the 150 shot went 576 on motor 533 torque the motor is built h beam rods arp studs on bottom and top with weisco pistons car went 11.38 @119 on motor 10.68 @127 on the bottle and gets 24 mpg on the highway drive 100 miles evevy day cars weighs 3630 with me in it

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    The MS4 is a nasty fucking cam. Its gotta very mean chop to it also. Personally, i would never get an MS4 (no offense to MS4 owners) The cam is WAY to big and is not good for a DD, although some ppl manage. It's a peak power cam and has no under the curve power. All the power is gonna kick in late and pull like a train. How often are u gonna take ur daily driver past 6k? I have been in an MS4 WS6, and at first i was like "wtf, i thought this thing was cammed" once the revs shot past 3.5k i thought the car was gonna fly away. Lot of ppl get the MS4 becasue they see dyno sheets of ppl making like 70whp on a cam only car. Dont go by dyno numbers or the highest hp rateings. Bigger isnt always better.

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    Well its not a DD so I want as much gain as I can get to run the best #'s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fraz1le View Post
    Well its not a DD so I want as much gain as I can get to run the best #'s.
    run the ms4 cam its a good cam i drive my car everyday i have no problems its all in the tune

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    Ditto Here. Also the tune makes a big difference in the low end, Though the cam does wake up after 3000 and pulls like theres is no tomorrow until redline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_bluebird View Post
    Ditto Here. Also the tune makes a big difference in the low end, Though the cam does wake up after 3000 and pulls like theres is no tomorrow until redline.
    thats is true me personal i love the came for that reason i like the 60 mph plus the cam just pulls so hard everbody has an opion on things

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    Quote Originally Posted by fraz1le View Post
    How do you like the 4.11's?

    Love it wouldn't think twice about doing it again. With a tune on these engines the typical voodoos of the 4.10's don't apply. If you bump your RPM's to match the cam specs in the upper 6's almost 7K (mine was 6800) you shouldn't be going into overdrive before crossing the traps which is what most advised against 4.10's in the first place, going into OD WOT.

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