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Looking to build an all motor street monster

This is a discussion on Looking to build an all motor street monster within the Internal Engine forums, part of the LSx Technical Help Section category; Originally Posted by splitfinger09 I see 112+2 all the time and I have no Idea what that means. The +2 ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by splitfinger09 View Post
    I see 112+2 all the time and I have no Idea what that means.
    The +2 or -2 (or any number usually between 1 and 4) that you see listed denotes the amount of degrees of advance or retard that the cam has ground into it.

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    I agree with Mr. Luos go with some stg. II LS6 heads and around a 230 duration cam. maybe even throw in a FAST 90mm intake. You will gain quite a bit of HP I would think you would be around 450-460rwhp and still have good street manners.....Just my $.02 I think this the direction you were looking for. Also might want to upgrade your clutch for all that added power.
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    I am doing the same thing that you are. A really reputable guy at Thunder Mountain suggested this cam for me, It is a custom grind, 230/230 .609/.604 with 111 lsa +2. He said it has outstanding street manners and it is a monster cam with an awesome lopeing idle. That is the Cam I am going with, But I will spend a lot of time at the track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28 View Post
    I assure you not a single car that you could classify as that is running a 228 duration cam.
    You are right.
    I have no idea what I am talking about.


    What is wrong with a 425-430 RWHP car with an excellent power curve??
    Drag cars do better with those larger cams, street cars do better with the more average sized cams.
    Plus, they are easier to tune, driveability is a touch better, you still get that lope, and you are able to stay with pullied Cobra's.

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    I would look at the 2 cams that MR. Luos and I suggested, The 228 is an outstanding cam and makes outstanding power (50-60hp, more with the heads). The one I am getting is taking it up a notch and I will lose some streetability (But I will be going to the strip alot). The TREX cam in my opinion is way too much cam to be really streetable. Yes you can do it but the rpm range is out of what normally is concidered being streetable. + you will have to change your valve springs alot more often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Luos View Post
    Patriot Stage II LS6 heads.
    TSP 228R cam.
    how much hp would it pull on a ls1

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    Quote Originally Posted by nate_the_great17 View Post
    how much hp would it pull on a ls1
    Like Luos said with supporting bolt ons around 420-430 HP. Plenty for a street only car. Still kick everyones ass out there. And that cam is very streetable and can use the whole powercurve of the cam. Still sounds great with a nice lope with the 112 lsa. You'll get even more with a Fast 90/90 combo.
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    If I recall correctly, their is a member here that has that with a ported FAST 90 intake. Makes 444RWHP...with a hell of a powercurve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Luos View Post
    You are right.
    I have no idea what I am talking about.


    What is wrong with a 425-430 RWHP car with an excellent power curve??
    Drag cars do better with those larger cams, street cars do better with the more average sized cams.
    Plus, they are easier to tune, driveability is a touch better, you still get that lope, and you are able to stay with pullied Cobra's.
    Yeah Luos what the hell are you talking about

    I am going to order the 228R cam 112. Patriot Stage II heads as well. Probably going to be a while before I get it installed and tuned, I want to port everything I can. Not to mention I want to make sure I can get Mike Norris to tune it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Luos View Post
    If I recall correctly, their is a member here that has that with a ported FAST 90 intake. Makes 444RWHP...with a hell of a powercurve.
    swt00ss with a comp 224 cam, stgII ls6 or 5.3lheads cant remember which, with the 90/90

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    I agree w/ Luos. He said street monster not track. I have the 228R and have no regrets about it. Love the power it makes. With all bolt ons I am making 411hp and 386 ft lbs/tq on stock heads. I emailed gunner and he recommended me patriot stage II heads for my application. So I will be getting those hopefully for Christmas. Then I can probably wave goodbye to my 10 bolt

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    i agree with luos, dont go by peak HP numbers. Listen, if u want bragging right on the dyno go for an MS4 or an LG cam. If u want great power and driveability, get one of the cams Luos recomended. A tr228, good set of heads and a FAST 90/90 should put you in the mid/high 400's.

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    yeah I have the stage 2 heads and the 224 cam also... but sometimes I wonder if I should've gotten a slightly bigger cam (228 +) and the 90/90 combo.

    With the stage 2 heads and 224 I got 405 and 390 with stock catback and mt et street's on. The cutout got me up to 415.

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    Id go with the PRC 5.3 2.5 Heads and Ms3 cam from TSP. There have been good results from them on the dynos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilBreed#13 View Post
    Id go with the PRC 5.3 2.5 Heads and Ms3 cam from TSP. There have been good results from them on the dynos.
    What do those run pricewise? I've seen a set of something for about $1600. Does that sound right? I'll try to find a link

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    228 all the way. Power down low is important in a street car./monster.

    For those that want to hear what a 228 sounds like. I foound a little clip fro msome dude named...... Orion. lol. Sounds damn good.

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    GTO with 228 and spintech. I love spintech!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Luos View Post
    What is wrong with a 425-430 RWHP car with an excellent power curve?? ...and you are able to stay with pullied Cobra's.
    You'd consider THOSE qualifications as being a "street monster" as the OP stated? That's grocery getter stuff around here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28 View Post
    You'd consider THOSE qualifications as being a "street monster" as the OP stated? That's grocery getter stuff around here.
    What were trying to say is dont always go by HP ratings. Just cuz one car makes 430hp and the other makes 390 doesnt always mean the guy with more power is gonna win. Look at cams that will satisfy and go well with the heads you chose

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