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    like 2 put a cam

    what do u think of an ls6 set up

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    Quote Originally Posted by NICK SS View Post
    what do u think of an ls6 set up
    Nice cam above stock.. But IMO the best cam out there for a 346ci LS1 224/228.

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    Go bigger you'll just wish you went bigger. What are your plans for her? DD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KING Z28 HAWK View Post
    Go bigger you'll just wish you went bigger. What are your plans for her? DD?
    Why go bigger on a 346. Dyno and track times will show time and time again 224/228 is the best setup for a 346. It makes great power under the curve. Now if you have a 383 or bigger heck yes go bigger. But for stock cubes??
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    Not you thunder that was to the OP. 224 and 228 are really great proven street cams and have really good under the curve power

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    Quote Originally Posted by KING Z28 HAWK View Post
    Not you thunder that was to the OP. 224 and 228 are really great proven street cams and have really good under the curve power
    Hence why go bigger?? I have a 231/237 myself. But I am a track whore. If your looking for daily driving fun 224/228. If your looking for a low 12 or high 11 maybe even a mid 11 224/228. Thumper cams do not do well as a DD. Big cams even with the best tune are not great for DD. Can you make them idle well yes. Big cams suck at MPG.. The 224/228 will show very little change in mpg yet be a blast at the track.


    Lets go back in the day.. John Raughammer ( for those old enough to remember) and what he did with a 222/222 mid 11's (1998 or 1999). Then John went 224/228 (2000) and was running 10's IIRC.. That was what 10,11 years ago...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Z28Thunder View Post
    Hence why go bigger?? I have a 231/237 myself. But I am a track whore. If your looking for daily driving fun 224/228. If your looking for a low 12 or high 11 maybe even a mid 11 224/228. Thumper cams do not do well as a DD. Big cams even with the best tune are not great for DD. Can you make them idle well yes. Big cams suck at MPG.. The 224/228 will show very little change in mpg yet be a blast at the track.


    Lets go back in the day.. John Raughammer ( for those old enough to remember) and what he did with a 222/222 mid 11's (1998 or 1999). Then John went 224/228 (2000) and was running 10's IIRC.. That was what 10,11 years ago...
    Times when low 220 cams were donky dicks. but they are proven to make great power with the right set ups and keep a great running dd. Its in the combo.

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    man you guys know any 1 that i could go 2 put a cam in fresno

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    Quote Originally Posted by NICK SS View Post
    what do u think of an ls6 set up
    Are you speaking of the LS6 cam?

    Not sure I would ever go through the trouble of putting a LS6 cam in, or pay someone to.

    224, 228 duration cams are a very nice cam, yes. But I haven't heard any goals from OP for any recommendation on a camshaft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z28Thunder View Post
    Hence why go bigger?? I have a 231/237 myself. But I am a track whore. If your looking for daily driving fun 224/228. If your looking for a low 12 or high 11 maybe even a mid 11 224/228. Thumper cams do not do well as a DD. Big cams even with the best tune are not great for DD. Can you make them idle well yes. Big cams suck at MPG.. The 224/228 will show very little change in mpg yet be a blast at the track.


    Lets go back in the day.. John Raughammer ( for those old enough to remember) and what he did with a 222/222 mid 11's (1998 or 1999). Then John went 224/228 (2000) and was running 10's IIRC.. That was what 10,11 years ago...
    Your statements are somewhat true.

    Fact: You can go bigger than a 224/228 and still retain great driveability, make a lot more power, still retain power under the curve, and not lose mpg. The 224/228 cam is a good cam, but it's dated technology/knowledge.

    Also, you cannot use Raughammer as an example. His car was gutted, big converter and set up to run those #'s. A 224/228 isn't going to run even close to those #'s in a full weight street car, no way no how.

    The newer lobe designs that have came out the last couple of years have enabled us engine builders to use bigger cams and still retain small cam characteristics. My custom 228/232 grind makes more power everywhere above 2800 rpms than a 224/228, drives the same around town, and doesn't "suck" mpg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NICK SS View Post
    man you guys know any 1 that i could go 2 put a cam in fresno
    Fresno Performance there are a few more but cant think of their names. You could do it yourself and save some cash and use it towards exhaust. You'll need it. I just got my LT's but still trying to figure out if I want to go ORY or true duals.

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    I agree with a few statements in this thread so far. And I disagree with some of them.


    There is no best overall cam for the LS1. Period. It varies greatly on set-up, gears, goals, street or drag, etc...
    224/228 is a great cam, that is not dated technology. Just because it isn't huge, doesn't mean it isn't on aggressive lobes.



    Before picking a cam...answer these questions.
    1. Is the car going to be drag only? If not, how many street miles annually?
    2. Gears?
    3. Automatic or manual? (If auto, what stall speed?)
    4. What is your definition of streetable (if the car sees street time)?
    5. What heads?
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    7. Does gas mileage matter?
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    224/228 is a great cam, that is not dated technology.
    Do you custom cut your own cams?

    There are camshaft designs available now that can be cut much bigger, with more lift but softer lobes for better spring life and high rpm stability, all while providing the same driveability as a 224/228 cam AND making more power everywhere in the curve. So yes, sorry but the 224/228 XE-R is DATED technology. That doesn't mean it isn't good anymore. But just like an old trusty IBM laptop that still works, just because it still works doesn't mean it's "great" by today's standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damian View Post
    Do you custom cut your own cams?

    There are camshaft designs available now that can be cut much bigger, with more lift but softer lobes for better spring life and high rpm stability, all while providing the same driveability as a 224/228 cam AND making more power everywhere in the curve. So yes, sorry but the 224/228 XE-R is DATED technology. That doesn't mean it isn't good anymore. But just like an old trusty IBM laptop that still works, just because it still works doesn't mean it's "great" by today's standards.
    I do not cut my own cams.

    A 224/228 can be cut on all kinds of different lobes.
    I agree with you that you can go larger, but it isn't always needed.

    We probably agree on most of it actually, just I am not wording it right.

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    Before picking a cam...answer these questions.
    1. Is the car going to be drag only? If not, how many street miles annually?
    Its my DD and this last year it saw about 10k but it should be riding less now with me using the other vehicles.
    2. Gears?
    4:10's
    3. Automatic or manual? (If auto, what stall speed?)
    Manual
    4. What is your definition of streetable (if the car sees street time)?
    I should be able to drive to school and work with a good highway cruise at about 70-80 mph and i rarely get stuck in traffic
    5. What heads?
    stock 241's
    6. What intake?
    stock ls6 too
    7. Does gas mileage matter?
    Hmmmm naaaa!



    What would be a good cam for those answers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverWS.6 View Post
    Before picking a cam...answer these questions.
    1. Is the car going to be drag only? If not, how many street miles annually?
    Its my DD and this last year it saw about 10k but it should be riding less now with me using the other vehicles.
    2. Gears?
    4:10's
    3. Automatic or manual? (If auto, what stall speed?)
    Manual
    4. What is your definition of streetable (if the car sees street time)?
    I should be able to drive to school and work with a good highway cruise at about 70-80 mph and i rarely get stuck in traffic
    5. What heads?
    stock 241's
    6. What intake?
    stock ls6 too
    7. Does gas mileage matter?
    Hmmmm naaaa!



    What would be a good cam for those answers?
    I like TSP's 228R for that.
    Or if you want a little bigger, the Torquer 2.

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    well street and strip i got headers ory slp full intake kit custume tume btb sts stage 2 clulch what do all think i go wit h/c

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    How big are you willing to go Nick? Do you want a big choppy idle or a smooth stockish idle? If you can get ls6 heads for cheap they are a good step up. Or you can just get your 241's ported to flow better. I know a guy selling a cam for cheap. Its a Torquer V3 231/234

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