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This is a discussion on Heads and Cam on LS1 within the Internal Engine forums, part of the LSx Technical Help Section category; I'm shopping for heads and a good cam for my 00 Camaro. I know pretty much what I want to ...

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    I'm shopping for heads and a good cam for my 00 Camaro. I know pretty much what I want to do to the stock block as far as mods... I'm looking for it to be a good track car with the possibility of squeezing a 75-100 shot of Nitrous. I've been looking at Texas Speed & Performance's Magic Stick 4 Cam and AFR Head combo but I've heard that this isn't the best cam for nitrous because of the huge overlap... here are the specs:

    Magic Stick V.4 239/242, .649"/.609" Camshaft With Your Choice of Lobe Seperation (111 LSA Standard)


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    planning to put in 4:11 posi, FAST LSx Intake and Throttle Body, SLP lid, and full SLP exhaust including long tube headers

    What would any of you recommend for my app?

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    i have the ms4 cam with the dart 205 heads with a built bottom end through a 6 speed with a spec 3 plus clutch and flywheel spraying 200 shot 10.76 123 drive it everday

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonpg1300 View Post
    i have the ms4 cam with the dart 205 heads with a built bottom end through a 6 speed with a spec 3 plus clutch and flywheel spraying 200 shot 10.76 123 drive it everday
    I still have stock bottom end though....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonpg1300 View Post
    i have the ms4 cam with the dart 205 heads with a built bottom end through a 6 speed with a spec 3 plus clutch and flywheel spraying 200 shot 10.76 123 drive it everday
    123MPH with a 200shot and H/C? I will assume you mean it traps 123 OFF the bottle; because it should. That's a damn great ET for a 6-speed with that MPH, must have 60'-ed in the 1.4s or lower???

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    First off do not buy slp headers or exhaust. They suck and set way too low. Pacesetters are much better and fit extremely well with no ground clearnce issues. I would also get a magnaflow or Borla cat back or a true duel set up before I bought anything from slp. Their stuff is outdated, expensive and has horible fitment issues.

    Also I would skip the gear swap and go strait to a 9" ford rearend, With all the horse power you will produce, your 10 bolt will fall apart in 1.5 seconds the first time you run it at the track with stickies on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jays00ss View Post
    First off do not buy slp headers or exhaust. They suck and set way too low. Pacesetters are much better and fit extremely well with no ground clearnce issues. I would also get a magnaflow or Borla cat back or a true duel set up before I bought anything from slp. Their stuff is outdated, expensive and has horible fitment issues.

    Also I would skip the gear swap and go strait to a 9" ford rearend, With all the horse power you will produce, your 10 bolt will fall apart in 1.5 seconds the first time you run it at the track with stickies on.
    I'm lookin into a strange 12 bolt right now... I have a friend doing a 9" in his Lt1 and he's got to change quite a bit to do that... and yea... I'm aware of SLP's ground clearance problems... I haven't decieded yet for which header though...

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    i have slp longtubes on my ram air and i just lowered it 1.5 i srcap everywhere i go it sucks get pacesetters or sumthin else its not worth the $950 for the name don't make the same mistake i did

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMagic08 View Post
    I'm lookin into a strange 12 bolt right now... I have a friend doing a 9" in his Lt1 and he's got to change quite a bit to do that... and yea... I'm aware of SLP's ground clearance problems... I haven't decieded yet for which header though...
    if you buy a 12 bolt be prepared for your gears to whine. A 9" is much better for a 6 speed. I had no issues putting mine in.

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    i have a 12 bolt with 4.33 gears in it with 6500 miles on it and it dont whine at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonpg1300 View Post
    i have a 12 bolt with 4.33 gears in it with 6500 miles on it and it dont whine at all
    Have you took it to the track and dumped the clutch at 3500-4000 rpm a few times on stickies? If you do I bet it will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jays00ss View Post
    Have you took it to the track and dumped the clutch at 3500-4000 rpm a few times on stickies? If you do I bet it will.
    If he runs 10.76 @ 123 mph, then I'm pretty sure he does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ls1camino View Post
    If he runs 10.76 @ 123 mph, then I'm pretty sure he does.
    well then, He is one of the lucky ones, It must be a Strange 12 bolt and not a Moser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMagic08 View Post
    I've been looking at Texas Speed & Performance's Magic Stick 4 Cam and AFR Head combo but I've heard that this isn't the best cam for nitrous because of the huge overlap... here are the specs:

    Magic Stick V.4 239/242, .649"/.609" Camshaft With Your Choice of Lobe Seperation (111 LSA Standard)
    Where did you hear that cam wasn't good for nitrous? Yeah it may not be ideal for a big shot of 200+, but I can tell you firsthand that cam LOVES at 100 shot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jays00ss View Post
    well then, He is one of the lucky ones, It must be a Strange 12 bolt and not a Moser.
    Heh. My Strange 12 bolt screams loud as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28 View Post
    Where did you hear that cam wasn't good for nitrous? Yeah it may not be ideal for a big shot of 200+, but I can tell you firsthand that cam LOVES at 100 shot!
    well I was talking to a friend who has a smaller cam than the ms4 and then I have a friend who has the ms4 and they both run nitrous... forgot what shot... but the friend with the smaller cam ran 12.0 and the other ran 12.6 in the 1/4.... i am aware that there are other variables contributing to this as well....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMagic08 View Post
    well I was talking to a friend who has a smaller cam than the ms4 and then I have a friend who has the ms4 and they both run nitrous... forgot what shot... but the friend with the smaller cam ran 12.0 and the other ran 12.6 in the 1/4.... i am aware that there are other variables contributing to this as well....
    If your friend with the MS4 and nitrous is only running a 12.6 then I think we all know what the problem is there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jays00ss View Post
    well then, He is one of the lucky ones, It must be a Strange 12 bolt and not a Moser.
    my first gears were loud i had it rebuit with 4.30 gears and if there is a wine in it i cant hear it

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonpg1300 View Post
    my first gears were loud i had it rebuit with 4.30 gears and if there is a wine in it i cant hear it
    Is yours the M6 or A4. If its the M6 I was wondering how many RPM you are running at 75mph on the highway in 6th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwindbigler View Post
    Is yours the M6 or A4. If its the M6 I was wondering how many RPM you are running at 75mph on the highway in 6th.
    its a m6 80 mph iam at 2200 rpms with a 315 35 17 nitto on the road and a 335 35 17 hoosier for the track

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