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This is a discussion on head and cam info within the Internal Engine forums, part of the LSx Technical Help Section category; I say you call up someone like Texas Speed or Vengeance and tell them what you want and let them ...

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    I say you call up someone like Texas Speed or Vengeance and tell them what you want and let them pick out a Head/Cam combo for you...

    If you plan on going bigger cubes down the road, I'd go ported LS6's or Darts. If you want good performance on a budget, I'd go with a nice set of 5.3 heads.

    I'm a fan of the TSP Torquer V2 Cam, as well as Futral's F13's....

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    yea go to texas speed they have cheaper ones!
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    I have that cam, great street cam. Use the stock length pushrods(7.4) just get hardened ones from texas speed. Also you can stick with the stock lifters no need to upgrade. Your gonna need to go with a higher stall but i don't know how high since i have an M-6. Also you'll need to get new springs for that cam and it idle's fine.
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    did you change injectors? does it have a choppy idle at all? i want some just not alot.

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    smooth or choppy idle is an LSA issue. if you want chop an LSA of 112 or lower will give you that. if you dont want chop an LSA of 114 or higher will have a smoother idle...

    the 224 is a proven cam. a 228 cam would still be a very good street cam for you as well. so would a Tv.2 (232/234 range) and even a 233/233...

    best bet is to call TSP or TR and tell them what your looking for. they might even suggest a custom grind to specifically fit your goal(s)...

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    you might want to look into this...

    one hell of a deal and Gunnar is top notch himself...

    http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=822515

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSwt00SS View Post
    interesting, only a 5rwhp difference between your Tv2 (232/234 .595/.598 @112lsa) compared to my Comp 224 (224/224 .581/.581 @112lsa)...

    i understand of course that we dont have a complete list of mods of eachothers car respectively...
    He may be driving an A4 car though. M6 car will always put down better numbers on the dyno. So when you upgrade your cam you will definitely put down more than an extra 5rwhp. I would think you would be around 460 at the wheels with your new cam as long as you can keep getting that sweet ass tuning youve been getting. Let us all know your new numbers when you finally do the swap.
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    actually, I sold the TSP 231/237 last week to another member of the site. I decided to sell it since I had been sitting on it for 9 months. I have been too pleased with the numbers that my 224 is putting down and felt that using an off the shelf larger grind cam might not get me the RWTQ that I am seeking. I am going to go custom cam, but not for sometime...

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    would the 228r be the best bet or would a v.2 be better? When you put bigger injectors in do you need a high volume fuel pump?

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    When i get my Heads and Cam next spring/summer i will be using the 228r, lots of good things have been said about it when used for more of a DD.
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    what size stall should i get with either cam?

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    ok think i am going to go with the v2 cam. a 3500 stall converter is good enough for it, right? also would i be ok running that cam on the 59cc ls6 heads i stated before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen02ws6 View Post
    ok think i am going to go with the v2 cam. a 3500 stall converter is good enough for it, right? also would i be ok running that cam on the 59cc ls6 heads i stated before?
    yes, running those heads will be a great addition to the cam and stall you plan to install in your car. you will be pleased with the performance and power...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSwt00SS View Post
    yes, running those heads will be a great addition to the cam and stall you plan to install in your car. you will be pleased with the performance and power...
    will it have good drivability through?

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    yes you will. the 59cc heads will also bump up your compression ratio for a little more HP. just need to us 90 or higher octane gas...

    you wont have issues w/the Patriot heads at 59cc chambers. only thing is to make sure whichever cam you go with you dont need to fly cut your pistons. a 228 cam would not require you to flycut. always ask to make sure though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSwt00SS View Post
    yes you will. the 59cc heads will also bump up your compression ratio for a little more HP. just need to us 90 or higher octane gas...

    you wont have issues w/the Patriot heads at 59cc chambers. only thing is to make sure whichever cam you go with you dont need to fly cut your pistons. a 228 cam would not require you to flycut. always ask to make sure though...
    i already run 93 octane in it. having to cut the pistons is what i was worried and wondering about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen02ws6 View Post
    i already run 93 octane in it. having to cut the pistons is what i was worried and wondering about.
    depending on the thinkness of the head gasket, and the lift are the factors. im running the 59cc heads and a .581 lift, 7.4" pushrods and i have no clearnace issues at all...

    cam is a Comp 224...

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    Those heads from Summit have 225cc intake runners which are too big for anything under 402cid that drives on the street...IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olde Skoole View Post
    Those heads from Summit have 225cc intake runners which are too big for anything under 402cid that drives on the street...IMHO
    The PRC 5.3 heads have a 220cc runner would should provide a little more low end torque. That's the route I'm going. I just can't decide between a 228R or Torquer2 either. Jon at TSP actually recommended a MS3 but I don't want to spin it too much because of the crummy 98 rod bolts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SOMbitch View Post
    The PRC 5.3 heads have a 220cc runner would should provide a little more low end torque. That's the route I'm going. I just can't decide between a 228R or Torquer2 either. Jon at TSP actually recommended a MS3 but I don't want to spin it too much because of the crummy 98 rod bolts.
    I'm going to recommend the 228R if the car is a DD..
    The MS3 and V.2 both cross that invisible line of 230 degrees duration @.050"
    which makes them well suited for the track, but not for the street...

    Be realistic with your head/cam choice and you will have a truly enjoyable powerband, go too big with either one and life on the street will be miserable.

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