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do i need a stall and intake before cam?

This is a discussion on do i need a stall and intake before cam? within the Internal Engine forums, part of the LSx Technical Help Section category; Im wanting to get a cam put in my car my mods as of now are lt's lm1 catback slp ...

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    do i need a stall and intake before cam?

    Im wanting to get a cam put in my car my mods as of now are lt's lm1 catback slp cold air p&p tb and 3.73 gears in a 98' so now ls6 intake not sure if i wanna put an ls6 or the fast intake in my car so the ? is do i have to get a intake before or does it matter cause i'd rather do it later and do i need to have a stall for the cam idk what cam im going with either i just know i want it to have a nasty idle and lope in it

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    you could use a stall right now without a cam. . . so id get it before your cam. as for intake ls6 vs fast 90, fast 90 for sure. all three work well together it would prob be the best idea to get the intake and stall first, then a cam
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    depends on what cam your running ect... i would hold off on a 90/90 ..actually 92/92 now until you get heads and cam..thats when the flow numbers jump enough where the ls6 intake pales in comparison to the 92/92..so save your money right now. also something to think about with the stall is that you "will" need a tune for it..its strongly recommended that you get one so your not bouncing of the limiter and bending pushrods..also a trans cooler is A MUST with a stall..or else say goodbye to your 4l60e...also with any aftermarket cam..you need at least new springs with them..the stock valvetrain can barely handle stock..so yea go ls6..and if i were you i would wait till i had enough for a stall and cam/valvetrain ..so you can tune them all together...your better off that way.

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    also something to conside..even tho stalls lock up at 45..match your stall to your cam..if you have all low end power and have a 3600+ stall ..then you will be flashing right past your meat in the powerband

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    general rule of thumb..if going FI..blower or SC then go for 3000-3200ish range..if going N/A then 3600 is the shitnitz

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    yeah i get what your saying and when i goes in new springs and pushrods are going in along with a tune for the cam and for now i just wanted the sound of the cam and was going to do everything else later but if it all needs to be done first then thats what im going to do and thanks for all the help

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    anytime

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    Quote Originally Posted by shady milkman View Post
    general rule of thumb..if going FI..blower or SC then go for 3000-3200ish range..if going N/A then 3600 is the shitnitz

    Over half of the cars I have tuned that run mid 3Ks stalls have either changed them out to larger stalls or constantly say that they wished they went bigger. This is especially true with more efficient converters like Yank. Many run 4k-4.4K even with just boltons and are very happy with the size.

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    where is the cheapiest i can find a stall? i know the sponsors but jegs is the cheapest i found at about 500 do any of the sponsors sell them that cheap cause i only know a couple of them to look at and thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frost View Post
    Over half of the cars I have tuned that run mid 3Ks stalls have either changed them out to larger stalls or constantly say that they wished they went bigger. This is especially true with more efficient converters like Yank. Many run 4k-4.4K even with just boltons and are very happy with the size.
    really..with the FI crowd ? i didnt know

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    Quote Originally Posted by kris6273 View Post
    where is the cheapiest i can find a stall? i know the sponsors but jegs is the cheapest i found at about 500 do any of the sponsors sell them that cheap cause i only know a couple of them to look at and thanks again
    go yank converters ..they are the best.

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    go yank converters ..they are the best.
    where can i find a yank converter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shady milkman View Post
    really..with the FI crowd ? i didnt know
    No, N/A cars or N/A with nitrous.



    Quote Originally Posted by mghawk57 View Post
    I have a 3200 from Fuddle Racing for $300.00 plus shipping.I have bought 2 now from there.Reeeeel Happy with all parts of sale and service.
    The fuddle converters feel looser than the Yanks, and tend to be a little less tight up top. This isn't to say that they are bad at all, and will get you moving much quicker than stock, just food for thought. While I would take a Yank 4K with a boltons car, it would be a 3500-3600 range for Fuddle or TCI. You can't beat the price of Fuddle's stalls for the performance return, there are 9 second cars running them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frost View Post
    No, N/A cars or N/A with nitrous.

    yea when i posted 3000-3600 i wanted to give him a range due to the fact that people are iffy..even tho most people stay 3600 for DD ..but some like it lower..i will go 3600 with a 2.5-2.8 str

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