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This is a discussion on Dart Heads!!! within the Internal Engine forums, part of the LSx Technical Help Section category; just ordered dart heads 205s 66cc,comp cam 222/224 566/568 lift 112 lsa,pro mag stainless roller rockers,fast 90/90 combo all for ...

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    just ordered dart heads 205s 66cc,comp cam 222/224 566/568 lift 112 lsa,pro mag stainless roller rockers,fast 90/90 combo all for 3600 but still need gasket kit timing chain,ls7 lifters before installing and new head bolts,tax money goes quick.any one have good results with these heads/and or cam?

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    I have the exact same cam but stock ported heads. It is a good daily driver cam and great sound. That stall will kill ur MPG tho. My cam took like maybe 1 or 2 mpg off but the stall took like 3-4. with those heads and that cam, that is at least 75 HP over stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TransAmcoupe98 View Post
    I have the exact same cam but stock ported heads. It is a good daily driver cam and great sound. That stall will kill ur MPG tho. My cam took like maybe 1 or 2 mpg off but the stall took like 3-4. with those heads and that cam, that is at least 75 HP over stock.
    i have an m6 i think im gonna sale this cam and go with a gx53 from lg i got a good deal on a used one i want alittle more power since its not a daily driver,let me know if you know anyone who wants this brand new cam,thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackls1ta View Post
    just ordered dart heads 205s 66cc,comp cam 222/224 566/568 lift 112 lsa,pro mag stainless roller rockers,fast 90/90 combo all for 3600 but still need gasket kit timing chain,ls7 lifters before installing and new head bolts,tax money goes quick.any one have good results with these heads/and or cam?
    I have the exact same cam w/2800 stall, off road stainless works header, stock heads w/upgraded beehive springs, oem lifters. I lost roughly 4 mpg in the city driving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackls1ta View Post
    just ordered dart heads 205s 66cc,comp cam 222/224 566/568 lift 112 lsa,pro mag stainless roller rockers,fast 90/90 combo all for 3600 but still need gasket kit timing chain,ls7 lifters before installing and new head bolts,tax money goes quick.any one have good results with these heads/and or cam?
    Did you not do ANY research on those heads at all? They barely flow better than stock set of 243s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28 View Post
    Did you not do ANY research on those heads at all? They barely flow better than stock set of 243s.
    no At the time I didn't know anything about engines & performance modification. I just wanted to maintain driveability at the same time. Now I know lot more from when I first started.I do like my set up except I want to put better a/m heads. My goal is to reach 400 rwhp. Currently 363.00 rwhp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jinouk67 View Post
    no At the time I didn't know anything about engines & performance modification. I just wanted to maintain driveability at the same time. Now I know lot more from when I first started.I do like my set up except I want to put better a/m heads. My goal is to reach 400 rwhp. Currently 363.00 rwhp.
    That head, cam and intake combo should have no problem hitting 400 at the wheels through a 6 speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28 View Post
    Did you not do ANY research on those heads at all? They barely flow better than stock set of 243s.
    and do you know how long dart has been building engines? so i think they will work great,if you have used them ,please do tell your experience, not what you heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackls1ta View Post
    and do you know how long dart has been building engines? so i think they will work great,if you have used them ,please do tell your experience, not what you heard.
    Whatever. Be happy with your $1600 aftermarket heads that barely hit 270cfm and burn as much oil as gas. They're designed to be ported. Out of the box they suck, plain and simple. Just don't be surprised when you find yourself 30+HP short of other similar combos running ported stock heads, or when your trap speeds resemble that of a bolton car. I've seen what they flow on a bench compared to numerous other LS1 heads. However, I don't run them. Take that as you wish

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28 View Post
    Whatever. Be happy with your $1600 aftermarket heads that barely hit 270cfm and burn as much oil as gas. They're designed to be ported. Out of the box they suck, plain and simple. Just don't be surprised when you find yourself 30+HP short of other similar combos running ported stock heads, or when your trap speeds resemble that of a bolton car. I've seen what they flow on a bench compared to numerous other LS1 heads. However, I don't run them. Take that as you wish
    first of all if i wanted a whatever attitude ill ask my ex g/f.i also am putting 333rwhp and 344 torq with bolt ons and without longtubes,so if i can gain 75hp+from this combo ill take it, and if i need more hp down the road ill get them reworked to flow better,its no big deal so please keep your smart comments to yourself! take this as you wish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackls1ta View Post
    first of all if i wanted a whatever attitude ill ask my ex g/f.i also am putting 333rwhp and 344 torq with bolt ons and without longtubes,so if i can gain 75hp+from this combo ill take it, and if i need more hp down the road ill get them reworked to flow better,its no big deal so please keep your smart comments to yourself! take this as you wish.
    the dart heads will work fine they wil not burn oil and they make good power, I ran the out of the box 225 head last year on a shit track they ran 11.42 at 123mph. you could go with the 225 head with a M6 or auto with converter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dracer173 View Post
    the dart heads will work fine they wil not burn oil and they make good power, I ran the out of the box 225 head last year on a shit track they ran 11.42 at 123mph. you could go with the 225 head with a M6 or auto with converter.
    thanks for some good advice

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    Quote Originally Posted by dracer173 View Post
    the dart heads will work fine they wil not burn oil and they make good power, I ran the out of the box 225 head last year on a shit track they ran 11.42 at 123mph. you could go with the 225 head with a M6 or auto with converter.
    those are the heads that i am going wtih. heard that dart is a good brand. you should hit your mark on power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dracer173 View Post
    the dart heads will work fine they wil not burn oil and they make good power.
    The 225s might work OK, but the 205s leave A LOT to be desired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28 View Post
    The 225s might work OK, but the 205s leave A LOT to be desired.
    I never used the 205 runner head so i can't say but the 225 head flow past 600 lift and don't stall they flow well to 700 lift.

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    i canceled the darts and went with afr 205s for 2,225 shipped

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackls1ta View Post
    i canceled the darts and went with afr 205s for 2,225 shipped
    I don't think you will see any performance gain from the afr 205 Vs the dart 225 head, the both make good power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dracer173 View Post
    I don't think you will see any performance gain from the afr 205 Vs the dart 225 head, the both make good power.
    I couldn't disagree more. Not only will those AFR 205s make more power than the Dart 225, but they will do it with better throttle repsonse and economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28 View Post
    I couldn't disagree more. Not only will those AFR 205s make more power than the Dart 225, but they will do it with better throttle repsonse and economy.
    you can think what you will, but they don 't flow any better and haven 't made any more power and ported they are not as good

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    Quote Originally Posted by dracer173 View Post
    I don't think you will see any performance gain from the afr 205 Vs the dart 225 head, the both make good power.
    im looking for low to midrange power so afrs shud work great.

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