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This is a discussion on cam question... within the Internal Engine forums, part of the LSx Technical Help Section category; Yeah and even then you'll hate yourself. Why? Well, when you race someone, they're gonna put it on you because ...

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    Yeah and even then you'll hate yourself. Why? Well, when you race someone, they're gonna put it on you because your cam isn't making the power up top, where it counts. Torque at low RPMs is nice, but torque at RPMs is HP, and that's what makes ya go fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N4cer View Post
    Yeah and even then you'll hate yourself. Why? Well, when you race someone, they're gonna put it on you because your cam isn't making the power up top, where it counts. Torque at low RPMs is nice, but torque at RPMs is HP, and that's what makes ya go fast.
    i thought hp sells cars and torque wins races, but your right need the uptop push to make it get nasty in a race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackBird 99 View Post
    The Thunder racing 224/224 will make the 80hp range
    sure w/full bolt-ons. shit, i'm running a 224/224 and haven't picked up 80hp...

    i saw 26rwhp w/my 224 not even close to 80, someone is feeding you some good bullshit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheeler99WS6 View Post
    it was my understanding that cam typically gained 30-40rwhp with a tune
    The Livernois cam WILL make 80-95 addition hp on a stock engine. I worked there when the cam was designed and also when GM High Performance was there doing the article...anybody who wishes to question this can reference the article itself...there's dyno graphs along with it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigDaddyBoost View Post
    The Livernois cam WILL make 80-95 addition hp on a stock engine. I worked there when the cam was designed and also when GM High Performance was there doing the article...anybody who wishes to question this can reference the article itself...there's dyno graphs along with it too.
    got a link to post up to this article...?

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    well thats about the same as the Magic Stick 4 or the Trex cam so it is kinda believable. There is a guy around here who is at 460rwhp (dynojet) with just cam and bolt ons and tune. before you throw the bs flag i didnt believe it either but i say his dyno chart. Car is a dog at the track though, just a dynoqueen

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    he's saying it's a stock engine, no bolt-ons of anykind, cam only.

    that means no intake, no headers, no heads, no plugs, no wires, no TB, no TB bypass, no free ram air mod, no induction, no bellow, no lid, no K&N, no underdrive pulley, means car has stock cats, stock exhaust, EGR, AIR (unless intake is Ls6, but even that has not been said). right off the showroom floor stock. if anyhting has been changed, swapped, installed or done (other than a tune for the CAM ONLY) then the engine has been modded and up goes the

    I'm calling him out, and if he can prove it then I will shut up. Also, he hasn't said if that's peak HP or 'under the curve HP', or whether that's flywheel HP or RWHP. big differences there too...

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    That's a little harsh. What would make you think that he shares your extreme view of "stock engine"? Most think that stock engine excludes intake and exhaust. When someone puts in a new engine, you wouldn't expect them to replace these items, so please realize your description is the exception and not the rule.

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    nope, stock means as it is assembled from the factory. people need to realize their cars from the factory did not have headers, they had exhaust manifolds (big difference there). if headers were put on after the car left the factory but before it hit the sales floor then it's aftermarket, period. I have given leeway on the intake since he has not said what year the car was...

    nothing 'harsh' about that at all. people just don't realize the truth hurts...

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    Thumbs down

    Or they need to realize that they aren't the one who gets to decide what others' definition is. Just MAYBE they aren't that special.

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    or just maybe they can pick up a book and read. knowledge is power...

    happy new years to you man, not going to get in a flame war w/you or anyone else over this, just making conversation!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSwt00SS View Post
    sure w/full bolt-ons. shit, i'm running a 224/224 and haven't picked up 80hp...

    i saw 26rwhp w/my 224 not even close to 80, someone is feeding you some good bullshit...

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    the tr 224 has a low lift. yours and mine have the 581 lift which makes better peak and under the curve power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigDaddyBoost View Post
    The Livernois cam WILL make 80-95 addition hp on a stock engine. I worked there when the cam was designed and also when GM High Performance was there doing the article...anybody who wishes to question this can reference the article itself...there's dyno graphs along with it too.
    i really would like to see a link for that. a stock motor has no long tubes, no aftermarket anything to be exact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N4cer View Post
    That's a little harsh. What would make you think that he shares your extreme view of "stock engine"? Most think that stock engine excludes intake and exhaust. When someone puts in a new engine, you wouldn't expect them to replace these items, so please realize your description is the exception and not the rule.
    its not extreme, stock means off the showroom, unaltered

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    Yes, but stock ENGINE. You're missing the engine part is what I'm saying. If I put a stock engine in my car, every person won't think that I put stock exhaust and intake on. Just top end and bottom end. Heads, block, rotating assembly. That was my point. I'm not in disagreement. I'm simply pointing out that it's all perspective. If I buy a new engine, some come with intake, some don't. None that I'm aware come with exhaust manifolds. See what I'm saying? It's for discussion's sake. If you can't see what others' perspective is, you can't truly know what your own is, can you?

    Heck, I am in the supplement business. Some guys say using the legal prohormones is natural because they're legal. Some say they're not. Some say using testosterone and GH is still natural because they're made by the body. It's all perspective is all I was trying to say, but I was typing on my cell. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhraformula View Post
    the tr 224 has a low lift. yours and mine have the 581 lift which makes better peak and under the curve power.
    got to luv the internet

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigDaddyBoost View Post
    The Livernois cam WILL make 80-95 addition hp on a stock engine. I worked there when the cam was designed and also when GM High Performance was there doing the article...anybody who wishes to question this can reference the article itself...there's dyno graphs along with it too.
    I was speaking in reference to the TR 224 cam. I have no knowledge of the Livernois cam you are speaking of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDD View Post
    got to luv the internet
    Yeah, He totally left out the fact that the TR224 has +4 timing ground in. So that probably makes way more down low than a tiny difference in lift. LOL!

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    ive been thinking about putting a cam in my car as well.....now are you all talking about cam only or heads as well??? i was leaning on cam only....i already have headers,ory,lid,ls6 intake,flowmasters (didnt know any better when i got it)..ive had the car tune already , i know i will have to retune. IM also planning on buying a stall....ive heard of the trex(i think thast what its called) cam being good.....are heads really necessary???

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    Quote Originally Posted by N4cer View Post
    Yeah, He totally left out the fact that the TR224 has +4 timing ground in. So that probably makes way more down low than a tiny difference in lift. LOL!
    and what timing do i have or not??
    dont get ahead of yourself before know all the facts

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