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Cam install and Keep the stock manifolds & cats

This is a discussion on Cam install and Keep the stock manifolds & cats within the Internal Engine forums, part of the LSx Technical Help Section category; how about the CHEATR cams, they are made to get the most power with stock manifolds so you can stay ...

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    how about the CHEATR cams, they are made to get the most power with stock manifolds so you can stay emissions legal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hi-Po View Post
    So is sticking some huge off the shelf cam in with stock heads.

    Buy the best heads to can possibly afford, then base your cam off the heads you bought. Plain and simple. A
    My car already runs upper-mid 11s, my goal is met. I don't want a cage in it. I could have gotten heads and a smaller cam to do the same thing but why? Mine is a custom grind btw if you were referring to me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark21742 View Post
    how about the CHEATR cams, they are made to get the most power with stock manifolds so you can stay emissions legal
    Ya I've looked at those for a while. I'm really leaning towards that route. I like the idea of a smooth idle camshaft that still puts out decent numbers and I may go that route on my 02. My wifes 2000 has a mild vinci cam that takes a very good ear to even hear a slight chop, almost non existent and perfect for a driver.
    I already have a choppy cam car that I can jump in if I feel the need that jars your teeth loose and still chops along at 35 mph,,,,, I don't really need another one like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INMY01TA View Post
    My car already runs upper-mid 11s, my goal is met. I don't want a cage in it. I could have gotten heads and a smaller cam to do the same thing but why? Mine is a custom grind btw if you were referring to me...
    I'm not doing a cage either. I'm hoping my headers, exhaust and 3.73 gears will drop me to the mid 11's without spending more money on some heads. An 11.5-11.6 daily driver is impressive enough for me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DKITCHEN View Post
    I'm not doing a cage either. I'm hoping my headers, exhaust and 3.73 gears will drop me to the mid 11's without spending more money on some heads. An 11.5-11.6 daily driver is impressive enough for me!
    If not throw some skinnies on too, should be a slam dunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INMY01TA View Post
    My car already runs upper-mid 11s, my goal is met. I don't want a cage in it. I could have gotten heads and a smaller cam to do the same thing but why? Mine is a custom grind btw if you were referring to me...
    Nope, not at all.

    Do you have any dino graphs posted on here? If not, can I see one? Dont you have a MS-series "similar" cam? Curious as to what it looks like.

    Whats the grind on your cam? What lobes are they on? Any videos of your car at the track?

    Sounds like it is running.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hi-Po View Post
    Nope, not at all.

    Do you have any dino graphs posted on here? If not, can I see one? Dont you have a MS-series "similar" cam? Curious as to what it looks like.

    Whats the grind on your cam? What lobes are they on? Any videos of your car at the track?

    Sounds like it is running.
    Cam specs are 230/236 613/613 111'+1. The lobes are the only thing my tuner kept secret, he told me simply, "they're Ford lobes". Dyno chart is below. I should get some better times this year, my tuner runs the same cam as do a couple other of his customers, with better results than me. No good track videos.

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    damn, that cam peaks at 6200???? IS that the advance ground into it?

    That cam is similar to what I was looking at before I relized I couldnt fit it with my small CC chamber heads (56cc). Was looking at Futral cams, and the V.2. No larger that the V.2.

    That looks like a nice grind. Man, with that lift, a decent pair of heads would make that combo shine!

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    Says at the bottom peak hp=6,573rpm. I had it dynoed two months later at a different shop (don't have that graph in my pc) and it showed pretty much the same. The +1 advance is ground in, stock timing chain. Ya I'd love a good set of heads but tired of dumping money in this thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INMY01TA View Post
    If not throw some skinnies on too, should be a slam dunk.
    Yep, I'll be running a full set of prostars for the track this year too. You should come to MIR when we're running this year and I'll get some good video for you. I taped about 7 track days last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebirdjones View Post
    Now I may be the only one but I find this very cool. What a sleeper you have, with stock manifolds and all,,,, you could pop the hood and no one would guess you have a near 11 second ride there.
    Actually it would be obvious from his idle sound, believe me you can tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DKITCHEN View Post
    Yep, I'll be running a full set of prostars for the track this year too. You should come to MIR when we're running this year and I'll get some good video for you. I taped about 7 track days last year.
    Only time I really get down there is for EFA races. I mean I live right across the street from Capitol but hey maybe, remind us sometime when you will be filming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedVertTA View Post
    Actually it would be obvious from his idle sound, believe me you can tell.
    I meant a sleeper in the sense that when you open the hood you still see stock manifolds.
    Thats why I said when he installs headers all bets were off

    But as with just about any mild cam,,,if you grind enough advance in there and spread the lobe seperation way out along with a sharp tune you can smooth that idle down to near stock levels if you want the sound to go with the looks

    You could even make that little 226 at .050 cam he is running idle near stock if you apply what I said above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DKITCHEN View Post
    Yep, I'll be running a full set of prostars for the track this year too. You should come to MIR when we're running this year and I'll get some good video for you. I taped about 7 track days last year.
    i would put heads on it and see how fast you can go with a stock exhaust. Sounds like the cam doesnt really mind the exhaust too bad. some cams are just turds without a high flow exhaust but it seems it worked out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INMY01TA View Post
    "they're Ford lobes".
    That's funny.

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