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This is a discussion on Cam install within the Internal Engine forums, part of the LSx Technical Help Section category; Tell me oh cam gurus, is this a good set up? A motorsport company I have been checking into has ...

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    Cam install

    Tell me oh cam gurus, is this a good set up? A motorsport company I have been checking into has a custom grind cam set up.

    cam is a 228/232 on a 112LSA
    Only other upgrades are hardened pushrods and and PSI valve springs.
    All for $1370 + cost of tune

    Untuned they promise 65-75 hp

    What do you think? Worth it? Go bigger?

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    It will depend on your other mods and a few other important aspects of the cam like lift and lobe design.

    The price is fair (though I don't know those springs). I tend to doubt 65-75 to the rear wheels (maybe they are talking flywheel hp) without a tune, with a tune it might be possible (based off the limited info given).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bottesini View Post
    It will depend on your other mods and a few other important aspects of the cam like lift and lobe design.

    The price is fair (though I don't know those springs). I tend to doubt 65-75 to the rear wheels (maybe they are talking flywheel hp) without a tune, with a tune it might be possible (based off the limited info given).
    untuned 65-75 with out a good set of head??? even fly wheel i doubt it...

    the set up listed looks fine... just get a stronger timing chain and you should be set... price looks ok also...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaz View Post
    untuned 65-75 with out a good set of head??? even fly wheel i doubt it...
    Not me.
    Our cars don't normally show huge gains with bolt-ons.
    Until a cam wakes it up. Hell, I picked up 50RWHP untuned with a fairly small cam.


    $1375 though? Are they installing it?
    Might consider an oil pump since you are there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Luos View Post
    Not me.
    Our cars don't normally show huge gains with bolt-ons.
    Until a cam wakes it up. Hell, I picked up 50RWHP untuned with a fairly small cam.


    $1375 though? Are they installing it?
    Might consider an oil pump since you are there.


    agreed with Spaz and Lous...

    during a cam install your right there, install a new oil pump and double timing chain.

    with a 231/237 cam and tuned I gained 80 rwhp.


    what brand push rods.
    I went with comp chromoly pushrods and comp ovate wire spring.



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    Part to be Installed
    Instalation Price

    Long Tube Headers & Y Pipe
    (Catted or Off Road Pipes)
    $424.99

    Catback
    $124.99

    Clutch & Flywheel *
    $434.99

    Torque Converter
    $434.99

    Intake Manifold Swap
    $124.99

    Cam & Valve Spring Swap
    $549.99

    Head Swap
    $649.99

    Head & Cam Swap **
    $1099.99

    Sub-Frame Connectors
    (Weld In Style)
    $224.99

    Torque Arm
    $74.99

    Lower Control Arms
    $74.99

    Pan-Hard Rod
    $74.99

    Rear End
    $374.99

    Engine & Transmission Swap
    $1,499.99

    Nitrous Kit Install
    (HSW Kits Recieve a Discount)
    $549.99

    Racetronix Fuel Pump Kit
    $224.99

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    Im sorry, I forgot to put my sig up to show my mods. I have decent supporting mods for the install. I was planning on supplying an LS2 timing set and the SLP heavy duty oil pump. He recommended not replacing rockers either.

    And yes the price is installed. $1375 parts and labor.

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    $225 for SFC? wow i would think it only takes a shop about an hour. But damn if teh install is that much I might just get the bolt-on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rapter34 View Post
    $225 for SFC? wow i would think it only takes a shop about an hour. But damn if teh install is that much I might just get the bolt-on.
    I was charged closer to $400 because the owner before me put so much rubber undercoat on the car. My tech spent about 8 hours getting all that crap off before welding.

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    sorry for this quick thread jack but is that what everyone paid? I really have to get some installed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by konigandy6 View Post
    SLP heavy duty oil pump.
    Get one from ANYWHERE else.


    $400 for cam.
    $300 for springs.
    $125 for pushrods.
    $500 for install.
    Sounds about right. Try to talk him into a $1500 with toon deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Luos View Post
    Get one from ANYWHERE else.


    $400 for cam.
    $300 for springs.
    $125 for pushrods.
    $500 for install.
    Sounds about right. Try to talk him into a $1500 with toon deal.

    As always such a plethora of information
    They discount the tune rate with this install but he has yet to get back with me on a price. Normal dyno tune he charges $400, so that $1500 deal may be a good place to start the negotiating!!!!

    No the SLP huh? I just figured they were pretty inexpensive, but alas, I can never go against the word of Mr. Luos!!!

    Good deal on the cam though? Better question, good enough cam?

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    I assume the lift isn't too much...probably around the .600" range.
    I like the more average sized cams personally. Better powerband, easier to tune, great driveability, and still most make over 400RWHP.


    From SLP:
    Price: REGULARLY $185.35 NOW $166.80

    From Thunder:
    Thunder Racing Modified LS6 Oil Pump $149.95


    The Melling pump from Thunder is about the same price as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by konigandy6 View Post
    As always such a plethora of information
    They discount the tune rate with this install but he has yet to get back with me on a price. Normal dyno tune he charges $400, so that $1500 deal may be a good place to start the negotiating!!!!

    No the SLP huh? I just figured they were pretty inexpensive, but alas, I can never go against the word of Mr. Luos!!!

    Good deal on the cam though? Better question, good enough cam?

    konigandy6,
    Are you communicating/dealing with Vector by chance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by midi_2001 View Post
    konigandy6,
    Are you communicating/dealing with Vector by chance?
    Indeed I am. I have a friend / customer of mine who deals with them for his TBSS and has nothing but good things to say about kirk and the people over there. Therefore, me being in the service field, think that's good enough to deal with them. I shop for people, not price!

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    Quote Originally Posted by konigandy6 View Post
    Indeed I am. I have a friend / customer of mine who deals with them for his TBSS and has nothing but good things to say about kirk and the people over there. Therefore, me being in the service field, think that's good enough to deal with them. I shop for people, not price!
    I just had my T/A Dyno tuned there. They did a great job. I considered them for the cam swap as well, but the timing was bad. I gave GM their H3 back so currently my T/A is my only ride. Vector had a backorder with CompCams and I couldn't wait it out.

    As far as the pricing goes, your prices quoted is slightly less than what I was quoted. The bumpstick they install has something like 228i/232e, 594i/and high 570's or low 580's on the exhaust. Their grinder is CompCams.

    Corvette's seemed to be big business for them. When I was there they had several Corvettes there for upgrades/tuning. (Directly across the street, and I mean directly, is Katech.)

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    For the record, my current setup:
    Kooks LT headers, Kooks ORY, Magnaflow quad CB, SLP lid, SLP bellows, Blackwing filter, Magnacor wires, Denso iridium plugs and 3.73 gears. Dyno'd at 343.9 rwhp @ 5500 rpm and the torque was 347.7 @ 4200 rpm; performed on their Mustang Dynamometer.

    Cam swap will be next; I'm looking for the 400+ rwhp advantage, but that maybe another winter project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midi_2001 View Post
    I just had my T/A Dyno tuned there. They did a great job. I considered them for the cam swap as well, but the timing was bad. I gave GM their H3 back so currently my T/A is my only ride. Vector had a backorder with CompCams and I couldn't wait it out.

    As far as the pricing goes, your prices quoted is slightly less than what I was quoted. The bumpstick they install has something like 228i/232e, 594i/and high 570's or low 580's on the exhaust. Their grinder is CompCams.

    Corvette's seemed to be big business for them. When I was there they had several Corvettes there for upgrades/tuning. (Directly across the street, and I mean directly, is Katech.)
    I didn't realize katech was right there... Some serious vette competition! Yeah, the cam set up seemed fairly inexpensive. But it didn't include a tune. It was the 228/232 comp cam too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Luos View Post
    I assume the lift isn't too much...probably around the .600" range.
    I like the more average sized cams personally. Better powerband, easier to tune, great driveability, and still most make over 400RWHP.


    From SLP:
    Price: REGULARLY $185.35 NOW $166.80

    From Thunder:
    Thunder Racing Modified LS6 Oil Pump $149.95


    The Melling pump from Thunder is about the same price as well.
    I don't know if this is old news/they got the quality back to higher standards, but I've recently been seeing a lot of info on the net about the Melling "performance" pumps being pieces of crap....apparently, they decided to take the cost-effective route and use thinner materials, therefore causing a significant number of their performance pumps to crack wide open....

    ...Like I said, this may be old news and the issue may have been resolved....if anyone knows more about this please chime in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Luos View Post
    Not me.
    Our cars don't normally show huge gains with bolt-ons.
    Until a cam wakes it up. Hell, I picked up 50RWHP untuned with a fairly small cam.


    $1375 though? Are they installing it?
    Might consider an oil pump since you are there.

    When you had that fairly small cam, what brand & specs did it have? I'm just curious because I'm going to be in the market for a (at least somewhat-I don't mind some lope LOL) streetable cam with a good overall power band.....

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    Just got some more info on the cam.
    228/232 112 LSA
    .588 intake .574 exhaust

    PSI springs were tested at Katech for quality and longevity, that is why he uses them. The rods and cam are COMP.

    I'm sticking with the stock oil pump but upgrading to an LS2 timing chain. The installer recommended using the stock lifters and rockers with this cam set up.

    I will be waiting untill I install my 4.10 gears so when it gets tuned, I can have him tune the gears in as well.

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