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Thread: Venom 400 or JET PCM for 96 3.8l
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03-26-2006, 11:56 AM #1
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Venom 400 or JET PCM for 96 3.8l
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03-26-2006, 01:41 PM #2StillSmokinGuest
Stay away from the Venom, its garbage.
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03-26-2006, 01:54 PM #3
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Originally Posted by StillSmokin
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03-29-2006, 06:38 AM #4HotrodGuest
Personally I wouldn't use one period. I hear they're OK for trucks but it's too expensive for what it does. All it's gonna do is really retard the timing and a few minor things (shift points, fan switch, ect.) which isn't gonna just blow your HP through the roof. However if you're sold on one of these Perfermance Chips I'd definately use JET. If you plan on heavily modding your car I wouldn't get one but if you just want something basic to add a few HP and then leave it alone it will work. I've heard several people say that the Venom wouldn't replace everything back to stock after removing it. I know one guy who removed the Venom Chip and the car wouldn't start without it.
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03-29-2006, 01:40 PM #5
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Originally Posted by Hotrod
# Stage 1: This Power Control Module (PCM) is designed for stock engines with no other modifications. The Jet Stage 1 PCM is programmed to maximize power increases based on stock parameters
# Stage 2: This Power Control Module (PCM) is designed for modified vehicles with low restriction exhaust and low temperature thermostats. Unit takes advantage of these modifications and pushes your engine for maximum power
I was hoping someone who has used these could give me some feedback. Jet quotes 15-17 HP increase for the V6 fbodies (I'm sure that's an exaggeration). But, none the less would probably equal out into a few HP increase in the real world, which is probably as much as I could get with a modded PCM - unless someone has some dyno results showing otherwise.
See chart:
http://anonym.to/?http://img514.imag...acchart1ch.jpg
That's too bad to hear about the Venom, because one of their claims is you can switch it back and forth from modded mode to stock.
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03-29-2006, 05:52 PM #6quicky06Guest
first of all exausht and intake does not mean taht you are heavily modded.
second of all save your money and get hp tuners
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03-29-2006, 08:01 PM #7
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Originally Posted by quicky06
I have done just about all the mods that are available for my model & engine.
Originally Posted by quicky06
So, far, on all the boards I have asked about this I haven't heard from anyone who have tried either the JET or Venom mods.
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03-29-2006, 08:58 PM #8quicky06GuestOriginally Posted by pogue
do you have new heads? cam? pullies? rockers? lifters? forced induction?
its not heavily modded until you atleas have to pull off the valve covers
and no you havnt done just about everything. you could put 5 grand into a half way decent engine
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03-30-2006, 01:11 PM #9HotrodGuest
Depending on what mods you currently have, I would spend the money on a different mod that is going to really benefit the car. I'm not sure what you are wanting from the car but I can tell you first hand that the 3.8 liter has A LOT of mods available outside of a performance chip that would better help you add some HP. Here is a list of mods I had on my 3.8 liter V-6. Obviously money is probably an issue so some things you might not wanna go with but some of them are just as expensive as a chip and more beneficial.
PaceSetter Headers
CatCo High FLow Catalytic Converter
Flowmaster Muffler
Flow Tech Cutouts (which I left open, and is why I just bought a Flow)
3.73 Gears
Limited Slip Differential
Ram Air Intake
K&N Air Filter
Comp Cams VS-Cam
ZZPerformance Stage 2 Heads
ZZPerfoamnce Stage 2 Intake
MSD Ignition System
NGK-TR6 Plugs
Nitrous Express Wet Kit (ran 100 shot)
Nitrous Express Purge Kit
MSD Window Switch
Hope this helps make a better decision on what to spend your money on.
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03-30-2006, 01:58 PM #10
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Originally Posted by quicky06
Originally Posted by quicky06
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Again, if anyone actually has anything specific to say to answer my original question I would appreciate it. Thanks.
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03-30-2006, 02:08 PM #11
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PaceSetter Headers - I have RKsport headers
CatCo High FLow Catalytic Converter - I have a random tech high flow cat convertor
Flowmaster Muffler - I have an edelbrock catback with exhaust tips
Flow Tech Cutouts (which I left open, and is why I just bought a Flow)
3.73 Gears - I have the Y87 package which has 3.42 gears instead of the stock 3.08
Limited Slip Differential - I have this
Ram Air Intake - I have a Suncoast creations Ramair hood w/ working ram air (including of course, K&filter)
Comp Cams VS-Cam
ZZPerformance Stage 2 Heads
ZZPerfoamnce Stage 2 Intake
I'm not familar with these three. Can you point me to a link with some info about them. Thanks.
MSD Ignition System - Kind of out of my price range for the benefits it would give. I'm not really sold on this item.
NGK-TR6 Plugs - I have performance wires (I forget what brand) and bosch platinum +4 plugs
Nitrous Express Wet Kit (ran 100 shot)
Nitrous Express Purge Kit
Not gonna do nitrous.
MSD Window Switch
Not heard of this, could you give me more info?
Hope this helps make a better decision on what to spend your money on.
I'll check into those other products you mentioned, but I am still interested in a PCM mod. I think it's a pretty sound idea and I'm still searching around for feedback on anyone who actually used either of those products, or the PCMforless service.
I don't have a large budget and I'm not planning on doing any more work on this vehicle soon, so I was looking for a small purchase item that would be easy to install and give me a few extra HP. I'm not dragging the vehicle or looking to improve my point time, this is just an everyday driver car that I work on for kicks.
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03-30-2006, 02:20 PM #12quicky06Guest
heads and headers are 2 compltely diffrent things. header are exauhst and bolt to your heads. heads contain your valves and such.
they make everything that i listed and more especcially cams.
heres a list from fullthrottlev6 of cams
Normally Aspirated Camshafts
Description Duration @ .050" Lobe Lift L.S.A. Centerline
Stock L36/L26: 182/192 .413/.413 115 N/A
CompCams 76-800-9: 192/200 .480/.496 110 N/A
CompCams 76-801-9: 200/206 .496/.480 112 N/A [ Malice
Supersix Motorsports: 204/204 .460/.460 112 N/A
Supersix Motorsports: 206/212 .512/.520 112 N/A
Grand Prix Store L36: 206/212 .512/.520 113 110
ZZP GT1: 210/210 .507/.507 113 N/A [ Seppo(111LSA)
Super Six L36: 210/214 .450/.450 112 N/A
Crower(regrind): 210/214 .445/.445 112 108
Crower(regrind): 210/214 .445/.445 113 109
Abbott Racing: 210/220 .512/.512 112 N/A [ FloydSummerOf68
INTENSE Stage 1 N/A: 212/204 .515/.477 113 109
CUSTOM: 212/212 .523/.523 112 110 [ Bird_Of_Prey
INTENSE Stage 1X N/A: 212/216 .523/.514 113 109
Supersix Motorsports: 214/220 .510/.510 112 N/A [ usd2sing/DaniCammed8
ZZP GT2: 216/216 .507/.507 111 N/A [ Joe
CUSTOM: 216/216 .507/.507 112 N/A [ InSaNe6
CUSTOM: 218/218 .528/528 112 110 [ RallyRed98
CUSTOM: 218/218 .528/.528 114 [ Linx
CUSTOM: Custom 221/223 .541/.525 113 [ NotAV8
INTENSE Stage 2 N/A: 222/224 .540/.523 112 108
INTENSE Stage 3 N/A: 222/230 .542/.530 110 106
ZZP GT3: 224/224 .536/.536 113 N/A [ AnotherScreenName
Power Adder Camshafts
Description Duration @ .050" Lobe Lift L.S.A. Centerline
Stock L67/L32: 182/192 .413/.413 115 N/A
GPS L67 Cam 1: 200/212 .504/.504 115 N/A
Stattama ST1: 206/206 .512/.512 111 N/A
Custom: 206/206 .526/.526 114 N/A [ Pector55
ZZP VS: 206/216 .504/.504 115 N/A
Comp Cams: 206/216 .512/.507 115 [ Sleepr
ZZP HL/GPS L67 Cam 2: 206/218 .512/.528 115 N/A
INTENSE Stage 1 Blower: 209/204 .488/.477 113 108
CompCams 76-802-9: 210/220 .512/.512 115 N/A [ 13secV6
Abbott Racing: 220/220 .512/.512 114 N/A
INTENSE Stage 1X Blower: 210/221 .514/.526 115 111
Stattama ST2: 212/212 .520/.520 112 N/A
ZZP XP: 212/224 .520/.536 116 N/A
INTENSE Stage 2 Turbo: 214/206 .530/.512 116 110
INTENSE Stage 2 Blower: 214/222 .531/.541 115 111
ZZP XPZ: 217/225 .563/.533116 N/A
Stattama ST3: 218/212 .528/.520 113 N/A
Stattams SS4: 218/230 .528/.544 116 N/A
Custom: 218/230 .528/.544 115 N/A [ Pector55
IPS Stage 5/ZZP NIC: 220/230 .507/.507 112 N/A
INTENSE Stage 3 Nitrous/Blower: 220/232 .539/.562 116 112
Thrasher Race: 222/222 .566/..566 114 N/A
INTENSE Stage 3 Blower: 222/228 .541/.550 115 111
INTENSE Stage 3 Turbo: 223/214 .541/.531 116 110
CUSTOM:224/215 .536/.534 116 110 [ Viper04af
Stattama ST4: 224/218 .536/.528 116 N/A
INTENSE Stage 4 Turbo: 226/218 .549/.554 116 110
INTENSE Stage 4 Blower: 235/238 .600/.602 116 112
zzp isnt a sponsor so we cant link them search it on google.
you dont need a lift to pull the engine it just helps.
i just dont like it when people think that intake exausht and a hood is heavily modded.
they make everything and anything for our cars. from stroker kits to heads, to lifters and rockers.
if you want to know where to get em pm me and ill send you links
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03-30-2006, 04:23 PM #13HotrodGuest
ZZPerformance & Supersixmotorpsorts has everything that I got. Sounds like you have a pretty intense car. I saw that you said you don't want nitrous which if that's the case then I'd go ahead with the chip. The reason I was saying don't get it cause most people on here want or have nitrous and you can't use a chip and nitrous together. Again, I would go with the JET chip, but have you looked in to a Power Programmer instead of the chip? Not sure if they have one for your year but they allow you to do much more stuff than a chip appears to. Based on your intentions for the car I now say that a chip is a good idea for a daily driver not interested in dragging it all the time.
Oh, and a MSD Window Switch is a programmable device that controls what RPM your nitrous sprays at. So if you get the urge, trust me nitrous is FUN!!!!
Good luck man! Post some pics of your car if you have them, it sounds bad-a$$
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03-30-2006, 04:23 PM #14
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Originally Posted by quicky06
Thanks for your input.
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03-30-2006, 04:39 PM #15
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Originally Posted by Hotrod
I'll check out the companies you mentioned and try to take some pics when my car is clean.
It's white and has the ram air hood as I mentioned. The wheels are stock aluminum 16", but I have wider Yokahama z rated tires which lower it about an inch or an inch and a half. I have borla exhaust tips and the only stickers I have on the car are from Reflective Concepts. I have the Ram air decals on the hood and the pontiac logo on the back (stickers are black). They look really good and are very nice. I would recommend them to anyone who owns an Fbody.
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