best headers

**transamgirl89** · 09-13-2010, 04:14 PM

So I'm debating on doing headers. What is the best kind to get? I was looking into pacesetters since I have a Flowmaster 40 series with a cutout. I just want it to sound more aggressive and throaty. Please post any suggestions! Also, am I going to have to do a lot of rearranging to make the headers fit or will they go right in. I've never done this obviously.

**2001camaroSS** · 09-13-2010, 04:25 PM

ask this guy http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143882. his v6 sounds awesome

**Smittro** · 09-13-2010, 06:18 PM

Does'nt much matter the heads are the restriction..

**Smittro** · 09-13-2010, 07:00 PM

Pics as per request..

**Smittro** · 09-13-2010, 07:02 PM

B4

After..

**transamgirl89** · 09-13-2010, 07:07 PM

THANK YOU SMITTRO!!!! How hard was it to do and how long did it take?

**Smittro** · 09-13-2010, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by transamgirl89

THANK YOU SMITTRO!!!! How hard was it to do and how long did it take?

If it had'nt been for the auto parts screwing things up it should have only taken about 6-8 hrs start to finish.. Including letting the paint dry.. It was a pain in the ars! Because our engine sits back farther than the ls powered cars and I'm a large guy with big hands..

jk

**transamgirl89** · 09-13-2010, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Smittro

If it had'nt been for the auto parts screwing things up it should have only taken about 6-8 hrs start to finish.. Including letting the paint dry.. It was a pain in the ars! Because our engine sits back farther than the ls powered cars and I'm a large guy with big hands..

jk

That's what I was afraid of. I'm the opposite though. Short and tiny hands lol.

**libertyforall1776** · 09-14-2010, 07:11 PM

FFF are the only ones making Long Tube Headers for 3800 F-Bodies, these would be the best, unless you went custom:
http://www.force-fed-fabrications.com/index2.htm

Originally Posted by transamgirl89

So I'm debating on doing headers. What is the best kind to get? I was looking into pacesetters since I have a Flowmaster 40 series with a cutout. I just want it to sound more aggressive and throaty. Please post any suggestions! Also, am I going to have to do a lot of rearranging to make the headers fit or will they go right in. I've never done this obviously.

**libertyforall1776** · 09-14-2010, 07:47 PM

Link? I assume they are not LTs for F-Body?

Originally Posted by Smittro

Summit also has headers for 3800..

**libertyforall1776** · 09-14-2010, 08:10 PM

Pacesetter is NOT a LT for 3800...

Torque & HP #s are off -- for WHAT?

**libertyforall1776** · 09-14-2010, 08:33 PM

SLP makes no F-Body 3800 headers.

Originally Posted by Smittro

Oh and by the way SLP has been making long tubes for 3800-II for a while now..

Intense racing has been using them exclusively on thier 3800 projects. They have a firechicken in the 8's........

**libertyforall1776** · 09-14-2010, 08:48 PM

Do you verify what you post? NONE of those are for a 3800 F-Body!

Originally Posted by Smittro

Wrong!

http://www.thefind.com/search?query=slp+v6+headers

**libertyforall1776** · 09-14-2010, 08:55 PM

Leaving out the details, I see.
"Headers, 1-5/8" Equal-Length 1997-03 Series II 3800 Grand Prix/Regal/Monte Carlo" -- no F-Body listed.

"NOTES: Fits 1997-2003 Pontiac Grand Prixs, Buick Regals, and Chevrolet Monte Carlos equipped with the 3.8-liter "3800 Series" V6 (supercharged or naturally aspirated)."

http://www.slponline.com/view_product.asp?P=30070

Originally Posted by Smittro

SLP's 3.8-liter "3800 Series" V6 Long-Tube Header System features 1-5/8's into two 3" high flow collector. The headers are mandrel bent 409 stainless steel and ceramic coated to keep heat in, exhaust velocity up, and under-hood temperatures down, while the rest of the header system is made from 3" stainless steel. Delivering +23 HP and RWHP gains over stock system untuned, RIPP has pumped this up to nearly 30more RWHP with a custom Dyno tune. Optiona cats are available

Features

Mandrel-bent 409 stainless steel
Aluminum-ceramic performance coating
1 5/8"one-piece primaries
3" collector
3" flex joint
Strategically placed oxygen-sensor fittings
Equipped with genuine OEM flanges.
Provisions for the factory air pump and EGR
Compatible with both supercharged and naturally aspirated engines
Covered by our Performance Guarantee and Lifetime Limited Warranty.

**libertyforall1776** · 09-14-2010, 09:12 PM

I made no assertions about any numbers for anything, so what are you talking about? All I posted was a link to a company making 3800 F-Body LTs.

Here are what 3800 F-Body LTs look like:

Originally Posted by Smittro

You first!!! Verify what you posted.. I see only scewed dyno numbers, NO none nadda, head specs to verify porting, no none nodda cam specs.. You post numbers for a so called cammed engine can't confirm or verify for that matter what you posted.... I will conceed the mistake on the long tubes if you do the same with some real dyno numbers from a real engine with real specs... Good luck over and out..

**libertyforall1776** · 09-14-2010, 09:19 PM

"The best" meaning LTs will give gains greater than shorties or mids, such as Pacesetter. Nobody else is offering 3800 F-Body LTs, AFAIK.

If you want details on dyno proof, contact the guys who designed them: FFF.

**Smittro** · 09-14-2010, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by libertyforall1776

"The best" meaning LTs will give gains greater than shorties or mids, such as Pacesetter..

Okay now we 're getting somewhere.. Would you say the gains are better low mid or high? All of the above.. How's the curve? Do they get you out of "all low end" type torque? I would like to know as I would like to build a set in the future.. I get that you don't have the numbers @ this point.. I would like to understand what and where "the best" comes in is all man..

**Smittro** · 09-14-2010, 09:34 PM

*Posts deleted due to arguementive nature and thread clutter..*

Transamgirl..

**libertyforall1776** · 09-14-2010, 10:33 PM

See post #16.

What do you care, you are building your own. Seems like you are just trolling.

The OP has an '01 with the improved design manifolds, so shorties and mids will yield little compared to the older manifolds, and LTs will be the better choice for where you would notice it most at the low end.

Originally Posted by Smittro

Okay now we 're getting somewhere.. Would you say the gains are better low mid or high? All of the above.. How's the curve? Do they get you out of "all low end" type torque? I would like to know as I would like to build a set in the future.. I get that you don't have the numbers @ this point.. I would like to understand what and where "the best" comes in is all man..

**Smittro** · 09-14-2010, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by libertyforall1776

See post #16.

What do you care, you are building your own. Seems like you are just trolling.

The OP has an '01 with the improved design manifolds, so shorties and mids will yield little compared to the older manifolds, and LTs will be the better choice for where you would notice it most at the low end.

I also own a loaded 01 Camaro y87..

I've never messed with LT's.. Trolling.. Hardly.. I've got 20 years in just GM v6 alone...

3800 already has good low end.. Infact that's where ALL of it's torque resides.. They need more top end imho.. They fall on their face before the curve @~ 2500 stock..