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what does a TQ Arm do

This is a discussion on what does a TQ Arm do within the Suspension and Handling forums, part of the General Help category; Originally Posted by Eugenio_SS Anyways... some ppl just go w/ the short version because it connects to that frame and ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugenio_SS View Post
    Anyways... some ppl just go w/ the short version because it connects to that frame and not the tranny, removing stress from the tranny... but lots of ppl aren't aware of the implications of a shorter one.

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    Also, I would like to add that it can affect the handling of your car. Be sure to experiment in a safe area preferably a big parking lot before you go rippin down the twistys. Short arms can take away from cornering ability. I can speak from experience and it wasn't fun!

    After purchasing my short chassis mounted T/A, I was never told about what it might affect. Well, I took a turn at 50 that I could have taken at 80 w/ the stock T/A and the ass end totally wiped out. Scary?

    Short T/A's are designed for the strip. I would recommend a long T/A for cars that rarely see see the track...
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    so does having a shorter torque arm really hurt your handling THAT bad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Ten View Post
    so does having a shorter torque arm really hurt your handling THAT bad?
    It takes away from it.

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    ok well will having a longer TQ arm hurt your acceleration a lot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Ten View Post
    ok well will having a longer TQ arm hurt your acceleration a lot?
    I feel the long stock style is a happy medium. You get improved acceleration, handling and braking. While the shorter you have greater acceleration less handling, braking you also tend to have more road noise. Like said before if your looking for a all out drag car the short version is what your looking for. If your just looking for an all around improvement long is what you want.
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    but will having a longer one hurt your acceleration as much as a short one hurts your handling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Ten View Post
    but will having a longer one hurt your acceleration as much as a short one hurts your handling?
    A short T/A effects your handling more than a long T/A effects acceleration.

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    oh alright... how will the stock one do then? will it work fine or no

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Ten View Post
    oh alright... how will the stock one do then? will it work fine or no
    Stock ones are fine.

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    Here is my short chassis mounted T/A


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    oh ok cool

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Ten View Post
    so does having a shorter torque arm really hurt your handling THAT bad?
    Unfortunately,
    It also hinders your braking capacities, causing heavy wheel-hop on hard brakes (emergency braking)
    The wheel hop I'm talking about is worse than the occasional acceleration wheel hop some ppl experience... and your braking distances will increase due to that fact.

    The only TA that you can benefit from both approaches is the UETA... which is a great and proven product, worth every penny... but far from cheap.
    I'd stay w/ a long one, even if it put some load on the tranny,
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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Ten View Post
    ok well will having a longer TQ arm hurt your acceleration a lot?
    not really... there aren't any longer than stock ones... and stock size one provides enough grip to the wheels.
    You can always get a more solid one that is stock-type, such as SLP, LG, etc.

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    ok so i would be best just sticking with the stock T/A then..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Ten View Post
    ok so i would be best just sticking with the stock T/A then..?
    It's a decision you have to make and you chose where your priorities are.
    In a nutshell, you want

    long TA:
    1. braking
    2. handling
    3. less wheel-hop on braking
    4. more wheel-hop on acceleration

    short TA:
    1. acceleration
    2. less wheel-hop on acceleration
    3. more wheel-hop on braking (safety issue)

    In terms of safety, I rather sacrifice acceleration than braking and handling... but that's my preference.
    Also, note that there is a product that decouples the TA, making it a very long TA when braking and very short TA when accelerating.
    It works great and proven setup.

    You can see it here:
    http://www.unbalancedengineering.com/Camaro/

    Many racers i know have it and love it.
    I've bought mine, and i just need some time to install it

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    oh ok .. wow $820

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugenio_SS View Post
    It's a decision you have to make and you chose where your priorities are.
    In a nutshell, you want

    long TA:
    1. braking
    2. handling
    3. less wheel-hop on braking
    4. more wheel-hop on acceleration

    short TA:
    1. acceleration
    2. less wheel-hop on acceleration
    3. more wheel-hop on braking (safety issue)

    In terms of safety, I rather sacrifice acceleration than braking and handling... but that's my preference.
    Also, note that there is a product that decouples the TA, making it a very long TA when braking and very short TA when accelerating.
    It works great and proven setup.

    You can see it here:
    http://www.unbalancedengineering.com/Camaro/

    Many racers i know have it and love it.
    I've bought mine, and i just need some time to install it
    When you get it installed let me know how it is. I'm curious to how loud it really is. I was thinking of going with that one if it's not ridiculously noisy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9t8z28 View Post
    Here is my short chassis mounted T/A

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    What size duals are you running?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Black Trans-Am View Post
    What size duals are you running?
    2.5" and they go inside the driveshaft safety loop, but you just can't see it.

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    oh ok .. wow $820
    worth every single penny, though !!!

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