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Should adding a passenger be all that noticable to steering/

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    Should adding a passenger be all that noticable to steering/

    I usually dont have paasengers in my WS6 but the other day I had a passenger that weighs ~200lbs or so, and the steering immediately felt like it had more resistance, and the suspension felt burdened, it even creaked a little with bumps.

    This is on the original springs and front control arms @154k miles.

    Is this normal from what you guys experience, or a dead giveaway that the springs suspension are worn?

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    Not normal I've never felt a difference in steering with passengers. I'd check your suspension out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 98TransAmWs-6 View Post
    Not normal I've never felt a difference in steering with passengers. I'd check your suspension out.

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    Thats what I was thinking, Ive been becoming more concerned with things since I got the LTs and catback on, and pretty much scrape. Ottom no matter what.

    Ive been thinking weakened springs and worn out front control arms.

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    Wouldn't hurt to replace them especially if they've never been serviced before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 98TransAmWs-6 View Post
    Wouldn't hurt to replace them especially if they've never been serviced before.

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    Other than ball joints, I havent touched the front control arms, also
    Never touched the springs but recently
    bought a set of factory same year SS/WS6 springs. I want
    To put a set UMI tubulars (lower and upper) but am not quite ready to
    Spend the money 'cause Im broke (just bought an expensive bed).

    Guess the SFC's will have to wait after all.

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    My car is just shy of 120k and I can tell you that after replacing every piece of suspension on the car it's actually a quieter drive then before even though I'm using all koni/umi/strano parts. It's definitely a harsher ride but all the worn out rubber and springs made alot of noise. Now if I hit a bump it's louder but not everything makes noise everytime I turn or go around a curve.

    When we pulled the ball joints the rubber was seriously distressed and failing. My buddy who is a mechanic looked at it and laughed saying there's the reason for half your complaints. I also scrape less even though I'm lowered now. I'm sure that has alot to do with the suspension reacting correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raynor139 View Post
    My car is just shy of 120k and I can tell you that after replacing every piece of suspension on the car it's actually a quieter drive then before even though I'm using all koni/umi/strano parts. It's definitely a harsher ride but all the worn out rubber and springs made alot of noise. Now if I hit a bump it's louder but not everything makes noise everytime I turn or go around a curve.

    When we pulled the ball joints the rubber was seriously distressed and failing. My buddy who is a mechanic looked at it and laughed saying there's the reason for half your complaints. I also scrape less even though I'm lowered now. I'm sure that has alot to do with the suspension reacting correctly.
    That and it was probably sagging due to the rubber being worn down and cracking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whamhammer View Post
    Other than ball joints, I havent touched the front control arms, also
    Never touched the springs but recently
    bought a set of factory same year SS/WS6 springs. I want
    To put a set UMI tubulars (lower and upper) but am not quite ready to
    Spend the money 'cause Im broke (just bought an expensive bed).

    Guess the SFC's will have to wait after all.
    Well for now why don't you replace the rubber bushings with poly it's pretty cheap to do so and should help your issue except maybe if the springs are bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 98TransAmWs-6 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Whamhammer View Post
    Other than ball joints, I havent touched the front control arms, also
    Never touched the springs but recently
    bought a set of factory same year SS/WS6 springs. I want
    To put a set UMI tubulars (lower and upper) but am not quite ready to
    Spend the money 'cause Im broke (just bought an expensive bed).

    Guess the SFC's will have to wait after all.
    Well for now why don't you replace the rubber bushings with poly it's pretty cheap to do so and should help your issue except maybe if the springs are bad.

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    It's a good step in the right direction and a complete kit isn't all that expensive until you can afford to do more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 98TransAmWs-6 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by raynor139 View Post
    My car is just shy of 120k and I can tell you that after replacing every piece of suspension on the car it's actually a quieter drive then before even though I'm using all koni/umi/strano parts. It's definitely a harsher ride but all the worn out rubber and springs made alot of noise. Now if I hit a bump it's louder but not everything makes noise everytime I turn or go around a curve.

    When we pulled the ball joints the rubber was seriously distressed and failing. My buddy who is a mechanic looked at it and laughed saying there's the reason for half your complaints. I also scrape less even though I'm lowered now. I'm sure that has alot to do with the suspension reacting correctly.
    That and it was probably sagging due to the rubber being worn down and cracking.

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    Oh I'm sure.

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    So, I'll chime in here.

    I too am having suspension issues. My rear shocks are done. Sucks going over any kind of crack in the road, let alone a speed bump. If I had it to do all over again, I'd skip buying anything that wasn't the stock spring (or same spring rate/ride height as stock) and just do shocks and sway bars. I like my Stranos, but on stock springs with beefier sway bars and good shocks, the car feels awesome as a daily driver. Now, after a while, I've gotten used to the Strano springs (and perhaps they've "broken in" by now), but there is definitely something to be said for a nice set of shocks and sways on stock springs. But the main reason I'd keep the stock springs is the ride height: I find that even the mild lowering of the Stranos can have me bottoming out on steep driveways and such... not fun... it only takes once to ripe your exhaust piping or cause some other kind of damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 98TransAmWs-6 View Post
    Well for now why don't you replace the rubber bushings with poly it's pretty cheap to do so and should help your issue except maybe if the springs are bad.

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    If I was able to do it by myself (no garage, and no press), so I have
    to have a shop do the work, so the labor costs would be a wash, and I
    was planning on doing control arms anyways, and I do have the springs on hand to replace.

    I figure that if I am going to do it, do it right the first time. I have two weeks off in December, and I think I can make it until then, and build
    up the money.

    Does this make sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whamhammer View Post
    If I was able to do it by myself (no garage, and no press), so I have
    to have a shop do the work, so the labor costs would be a wash, and I
    was planning on doing control arms anyways, and I do have the springs on hand to replace.

    I figure that if I am going to do it, do it right the first time. I have two weeks off in December, and I think I can make it until then, and build
    up the money.

    Does this make sense?
    I was more of saying for a fix if it was going to be a long time. I would do what you just stated since its the best option and not that far away.
    Quote Originally Posted by Naaman View Post
    So, I'll chime in here.

    I too am having suspension issues. My rear shocks are done. Sucks going over any kind of crack in the road, let alone a speed bump. If I had it to do all over again, I'd skip buying anything that wasn't the stock spring (or same spring rate/ride height as stock) and just do shocks and sway bars. I like my Stranos, but on stock springs with beefier sway bars and good shocks, the car feels awesome as a daily driver. Now, after a while, I've gotten used to the Strano springs (and perhaps they've "broken in" by now), but there is definitely something to be said for a nice set of shocks and sways on stock springs. But the main reason I'd keep the stock springs is the ride height: I find that even the mild lowering of the Stranos can have me bottoming out on steep driveways and such... not fun... it only takes once to ripe your exhaust piping or cause some other kind of damage.

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    So, I figure I will do UMI upper and lowers, plus the hardware, the springs that I already bought, and the upper shock mounts, should I be thinking of anything else?

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    Sway bar end links if you haven't replaced them.

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    ^^^^This!

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