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This is a discussion on lowering a WS6 within the Suspension and Handling forums, part of the General Help category; Originally Posted by clg82 so then why is eugino saying it is shit then? For the same reason a virgin ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by clg82 View Post
    so then why is eugino saying it is shit then?
    For the same reason a virgin would say he screws like a porn star.
    It also can depend on where you live, down here it works quite well for me.
    My Tokico setup on my civic handles great but on the sh1tty roads down here it'll jar the teeth righth out of your mouth..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedicous View Post
    For the same reason a virgin would say he screws like a porn star.
    It also can depend on where you live, down here it works quite well for me.
    My Tokico setup on my civic handles great but on the sh1tty roads down here it'll jar the teeth righth out of your mouth..
    I live in southern California, so the most of the inclines are shit going up and down stock. do you think these would work for me, maybe someone else can chime in with some ideas~

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    Quote Originally Posted by clg82 View Post
    so then why is eugino saying it is shit then?
    because the damping on that kit is not that appropriate to our cars...
    for that price, get some Koni's and be done w/ it.
    The key is for whatever spring rates, we MUST be able to control and dampen that spring rate properly...
    i know some that had BTS system and after driving it, i find that it leaves a lot to desire, especially given the $ it costs.
    A proper setup is not dependant of the road conditions.
    if it does, chances are the system is either underdamped (boat feeling) or overdamped (harsh) where the shock is too much for the spring rate, not allowing the spring to do its job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedicous View Post
    For the same reason a virgin would say he screws like a porn star.
    It also can depend on where you live, down here it works quite well for me.
    My Tokico setup on my civic handles great but on the sh1tty roads down here it'll jar the teeth righth out of your mouth..
    Without any disrespect, "works quite well for me" doesn't mean it's a good setup... just means that you are happier with it vs stock or any other setup you tried.
    So how many setups have you tried thoroughly ?
    I've tried many in several tracks and street as well.
    I also teach @ different track, allowing me to drive different setups, and enough experience and knowledge to understand what's happening w/ the car. I'm no Sam Strano, but i'm not a little kid that has no clue what hes talking about... when i don't know something, i'm not afraid to say so, and there is plenty for me to still learn... but for all intents and purposes, the virgin analysis is out of line

    heck, on my car alone, i've gone through at least 6-7 different suspension setups, and I'm still making some changes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugenio_SS View Post
    because the damping on that kit is not that appropriate to our cars...
    for that price, get some Koni's and be done w/ it.
    The key is for whatever spring rates, we MUST be able to control and dampen that spring rate properly...
    i know some that had BTS system and after driving it, i find that it leaves a lot to desire, especially given the $ it costs.
    A proper setup is not dependant of the road conditions.
    if it does, chances are the system is either underdamped (boat feeling) or overdamped (harsh) where the shock is too much for the spring rate, not allowing the spring to do its job.
    I don't see why you would say that, BTS does stand for Bilstein Tuned Suspension, the shocks and springs are design to work together with the best ride possible and i find it does that. Bilstein has been around for decades and find them to be a great company and will put a set on my C5 also. Cost, i don't find $600 expensive for a full kit. And sure it depends on the road especially down here where everywhere you go it feels like off roading. My Tokico setup on my Civic SIr would be great in cali but down here its unbearable, i'm going to switch it to KYB's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugenio_SS View Post
    Without any disrespect, "works quite well for me" doesn't mean it's a good setup... just means that you are happier with it vs stock or any other setup you tried.
    So how many setups have you tried thoroughly ?
    I've tried many in several tracks and street as well.
    I also teach @ different track, allowing me to drive different setups, and enough experience and knowledge to understand what's happening w/ the car. I'm no Sam Strano, but i'm not a little kid that has no clue what hes talking about... when i don't know something, i'm not afraid to say so, and there is plenty for me to still learn... but for all intents and purposes, the virgin analysis is out of line

    heck, on my car alone, i've gone through at least 6-7 different suspension setups, and I'm still making some changes
    KYB, Koni, Gabriel, Ac/Delco, Monroe, BTS. BTS is what i ened up with and i'm very happy with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Luos View Post
    KYB = Keeps Ya Bouncing
    I always thought it was Killer Youthful Breasts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Luos View Post
    KYB = Keeps Ya Bouncing
    I have a 93 civic lx with kyb & tein on it and it has a great ride and
    handles well too..2.25" drop

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    Totally different application.


    I am going with Koni's. Already have ProKit springs, might go with Strano's springs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Luos View Post
    Totally different application.


    I am going with Koni's. Already have ProKit springs, might go with Strano's springs.
    I've got Sportlines on my RSX-S..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedicous View Post
    On the Z28 the BTS kit did me right and it didn't even need to be aligned, on the C5 a bolt kit that cost under a 100 bucks for the front & rear works even better.
    You lower your car and didn't align it! You will need to when the inner part of your tire starts balding due to the increased toe in (or is it out I can't remember).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_bluebird View Post
    You lower your car and didn't align it! You will need to when the inner part of your tire starts balding due to the increased toe in (or is it out I can't remember).
    Not always and it wasn't necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedicous View Post
    I don't see why you would say that, BTS does stand for Bilstein Tuned Suspension, the shocks and springs are design to work together with the best ride possible and i find it does that. Bilstein has been around for decades and find them to be a great company and will put a set on my C5 also. Cost, i don't find $600 expensive for a full kit. And sure it depends on the road especially down here where everywhere you go it feels like off roading. My Tokico setup on my Civic SIr would be great in cali but down here its unbearable, i'm going to switch it to KYB's.
    not necessarily... perfect example with even Bilstein is that the 3rd gen rear Bilstein HD are better than the 4th gen rear Bilstein HD on the 4th gen... doesn't mean that something built is necessarily better than what you had.
    Heck, Microsoft has been around for decades... doens't mean their OS is excellent... compared to competition, their OS is quite pitiful.

    Proper suspension setup doesn't depend if road has many wholes or not... just to show how much you think you know.
    It's all about having whatever spring rates you have to be properly damped, and also work on the balance front/rear in terms of relative rates.
    From there, alignment, wear comes into place to make sure all is in sync... and for you to suggest that it didn;t need alignment... what did you base it on... the way it felt ?
    that's BS.
    I can have a good idea on suspension specs by looking @ car and turning the wheels to have an idea on caster... but to say it doesn't need one... that's a good one.

    So I challenge you to instruct me technically on how well and why you say that the BTS system is the best out there... prove me wrong w/ valid facts that will convince me...

    As I said... no disrespect, but you saw an improvement from stock and in your opinion, the best you been in so far.... but far from the best indeed.
    there are better cheaper solutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedicous View Post
    Not always and it wasn't necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedicous View Post
    KYB, Koni, Gabriel, Ac/Delco, Monroe, BTS. BTS is what i ened up with and i'm very happy with it.
    not taking that away.
    I just think you haven't really driven many fbody setups and really know handling and even some pro-driving to know everything happening and know what to look for for more improvement.
    Having that extra exposure would allow you to realise that it doesn't take much to have better setups, but from there to say it's the best or amongst the best... quite a long shot, especially w/ that system, which isn't great in comparison to many others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugenio_SS View Post
    not necessarily... perfect example with even Bilstein is that the 3rd gen rear Bilstein HD are better than the 4th gen rear Bilstein HD on the 4th gen... doesn't mean that something built is necessarily better than what you had.
    Heck, Microsoft has been around for decades... doens't mean their OS is excellent... compared to competition, their OS is quite pitiful.

    Proper suspension setup doesn't depend if road has many wholes or not... just to show how much you think you know.
    It's all about having whatever spring rates you have to be properly damped, and also work on the balance front/rear in terms of relative rates.
    From there, alignment, wear comes into place to make sure all is in sync... and for you to suggest that it didn;t need alignment... what did you base it on... the way it felt ?
    that's BS.
    I can have a good idea on suspension specs by looking @ car and turning the wheels to have an idea on caster... but to say it doesn't need one... that's a good one.

    So I challenge you to instruct me technically on how well and why you say that the BTS system is the best out there... prove me wrong w/ valid facts that will convince me...

    As I said... no disrespect, but you saw an improvement from stock and in your opinion, the best you been in so far.... but far from the best indeed.
    there are better cheaper solutions.
    I never said they were the best you can get on the planet. I like them and wish i would of done it a long time ago and thats all that matters. The shop that does a lot of hard work i prefer not to do anymore did them for me, last couple of cars i did i wish i wouldn't of when i found out that they would do them for a $100 for all four side. After they hook it up to the alignment machine they said it wasn't needed, they have done work for me for the last twenty years and have earned my trust. The BTS kit has been on there for a little more than a year and all is fine. If we were talking about the best of things we wouldn't be talking about camaro's either. You can keep some of the people happy some of the time but you can't keep all of the people happy all of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fbodynut View Post
    So, Lucky, how does it ride with the new springs? Can you tell a big change in the corners? Nose dive under braking?
    I think its rides pretty well, the front is awesome! The back feels like it has more travel, but feels solid at the same time. Less nose dive than stock w/ Bilsteins. I would highly recommend it so far! I love it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky 13 View Post
    I think its rides pretty well, the front is awesome! The back feels like it has more travel, but feels solid at the same time. Less nose dive than stock w/ Bilsteins. I would highly recommend it so far! I love it
    Thanks Lucky

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