Results 1 to 13 of 13

What's the difference between speed shifting and double clutching?

This is a discussion on What's the difference between speed shifting and double clutching? within the Manual Transmission forums, part of the Drivetrain category; How do you speed shift and how do you double clutch? I know like 3 different methods but I'm not ...

  1. #1
    SS#430 1 of 74 7camaro7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Nashville, TN
    Posts
    1,754

    Pewter
    02SS6spd VERT!

    Question What's the difference between speed shifting and double clutching?

    How do you speed shift and how do you double clutch?

    I know like 3 different methods but I'm not sure what they're called.

    1. shifting where you redline and you push the clutch to the floor and change the gear then stomp the gas and let off the clutch at the same time

    2. shifting where you almost redline then you keep your foot on the gas and you clutch and shift at the same time and side step the clutch(I think this is double clutching)

    3. Shifting where you redline and without using the clutch and without letting off the gas, you just shift.

    Let me know all the tricks to the 6spd!!!


    Thanks guys!

  2. #2
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Baltimore
    Posts
    59

    Black
    2000 Trans-Am

    #1 Ok.
    #2 Double clutching is best for downshiftingand fun too if you 'heel and toe'... in other words: coming to a corner, you brake, clutch-in, move to neutral, clutch out, rev motor, clutch back in, move to your gear of choice, and clutch back out. It's done very quickly, and use to be done in the early days when you had no synchros. Now, as fun as it is, and as smooth as it can be (if done right) it's not necesary.
    #3is very very bad for your car....all you have to do is screw it up once and you're in the hole for a lot of money. don't bother.

  3. #3
    SS#430 1 of 74 7camaro7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Nashville, TN
    Posts
    1,754

    Pewter
    02SS6spd VERT!

    hahaha That's why I didn't try #3 till I checked with you guys!
    I'm pretty good w/#1

  4. #4
    Senior Member Danger731's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2000
    Location
    Indy
    Posts
    6,712
    1. norml ,

    double clutching was a term for truck trannies, where you actually double on the clutch.

    Lastly is power shifting. This beats on the car but gives you good times. When you shift you leave your foot on the gas while pressing on the clutch and shift. I did this to my car when it was new but never since.
    NOT RECOMMENDED

  5. #5
    SS#430 1 of 74 7camaro7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Nashville, TN
    Posts
    1,754

    Pewter
    02SS6spd VERT!

    Another question... You guys know how we can miss gears and all right?

    Well how do you hold your shifter when you're shifting?

    I've kinda learned to not grab the shifter and use a push of the palm or pull back with the fingers.

    it seems like when I grab the shifter really hard and try to shift fast I have more of a chance of missing a gear. When I grab it only to put it in 1st, then use about 4 fingers to pull down to 2nd and palm push up to 3rd etc. it works better.

    You guys got any tricks? Are there any prefered shifters or shift knobs?

    by the way I've got a hurst

  6. #6
    Senior Member Zboner's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    cincinnati/northern ky
    Age
    31
    Posts
    9,045

    Black
    99 SS

    yea you dont want to double clutch at all, i do all the time cause i have to drive big trucks around but not for a performance car or if your trying to race, just a waist of time

  7. #7
    2004 HEAD/CAM CTS-V 9t8z28's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    doylestown, Pa
    Posts
    6,818

    SILVER
    2004 CTS-V

    Quote Originally Posted by 7camaro7 View Post
    Another question... You guys know how we can miss gears and all right?

    Well how do you hold your shifter when you're shifting?

    I've kinda learned to not grab the shifter and use a push of the palm or pull back with the fingers.

    it seems like when I grab the shifter really hard and try to shift fast I have more of a chance of missing a gear. When I grab it only to put it in 1st, then use about 4 fingers to pull down to 2nd and palm push up to 3rd etc. it works better.

    You guys got any tricks? Are there any prefered shifters or shift knobs?

    by the way I've got a hurst
    I agree with 7camaro7.
    I think a ball works better than a (I dont know what you call it)foreign type shifter handle. On the 6 speed, I prefer the larger ball, like the HURST.

  8. #8
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Baltimore
    Posts
    59

    Black
    2000 Trans-Am

    i have a bif white Hurst shift ball...but the shifter itself is stock...not hurst. It's important to shift smoothly, without forcing anything. You're doin it right when you use just fingers or your palm...

  9. #9
    SS#430 1 of 74 7camaro7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Nashville, TN
    Posts
    1,754

    Pewter
    02SS6spd VERT!

    I used to be a forceful shifter but I'm not anymore because with the SS I don't have to be hahaha. When my girl and I learned how to drive a stick I taught her to shift pretty hard, now I've got to unteach her. She's got a 5spd stang gt. Seems like her 5th likes to kinda grind in.

  10. #10
    Grilled Cheese rocks!!!!! slo4mula's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Cedar Falls, IA
    Age
    36
    Posts
    412

    GM Bright Red
    2000 Formula

    Quote Originally Posted by Zboner View Post
    yea you dont want to double clutch at all, i do all the time cause i have to drive big trucks around but not for a performance car or if your trying to race, just a waist of time
    I don't know about this. Vin Deisel said Paul Walker wasn't "double clutching like he should." Whenever I'm not sure of something I always ask what Vin Diesel would do...

  11. #11
    SS#430 1 of 74 7camaro7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Nashville, TN
    Posts
    1,754

    Pewter
    02SS6spd VERT!

    same here!^ hahaha

    can any one tell me what double clutching is?

    I bet with some cars you can do it and some cars you can't. My girls gt is much different than my SS in shifting

  12. #12
    Senior Member Danger731's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2000
    Location
    Indy
    Posts
    6,712
    Now, if you have driven old cars, or trucks, or sports or racing cars, you will be amused at this play on words. That's because double-clutching is also a procedure to save wear and tear on your gearbox, and on your clutch, at the expense of a little extra work for your left leg. What exactly is double-clutching (or, as the British call it, "double de-clutching"), and why is it significant?


    Let's say you're accelerating in second gear. When you're ready to shift into third, you decide not to use the standard approach, which is just to tromp on the clutch, take your foot off the gas, shove the shift lever into third, and let the clutch back out. Instead, you opt to double-clutch properly:


    First, you take your foot off the gas and kick in the clutch. You shift into neutral, AND let the clutch out. You wait perhaps 0.3 to 1.0 seconds for the engine to slow down from its high revs, depending on how fast you were revving when you started to shift and how much inertia the engine has to slow down. THEN you kick in the clutch and shift into third, and let the clutch out quickly, feeding the gas appropriately. If you have judged it right, when you let the clutch out, there isn't any JERK. And when you shove the lever into third, the gears and engine are at a synchronized speed, so there's minimum wear on the synchronizers, which are the tiny clutches that bring the clutch plate and the gears into smooth synchrony. There's also usually less wear on the clutch plates.


    What's the big deal? The main point is that when you try to shift into third gear, the engine has slowed itself and the clutch plate down to the right speed—just about the same speed as the gearbox—so it saves wear on the synchronizers and the clutch. It can also save shock and strain on the whole drive-train, because the speeds are just about synchronized when you let out the clutch.


    Well, big deal, you say. Cars haven't needed double-clutching since the synchromesh transmission was popularized 50 years ago. Why bother? Why fool around with anachronistic motions? Isn't it just buying trouble? Even Tom and Ray Magliozzi* claim that double-clutching is silly and stupid and wasteful of energy. Ah, but I can give you reasons why it is beneficial.


    First, in most cars, the actual gears are always in constant mesh, and the synchronizers only decide which pair of gears to connect to their shaft. But many trucks and some racing cars are still set up with a non-synchromesh gearbox. With trucks, because they have so many gears, it's noticeably more efficient not to have all of the gears in mesh all of the time. So with the "crash-box," you HAVE TO double-clutch, or you will not be able to shift. The same holds true for racing cars—to gain the last couple percent of efficiency, only one set of gears is in mesh at any time, and you have to actually synchronize their speeds or you can't get it in gear. Despite the obvious drawbacks of having to double-clutch, the gearbox is stronger and more efficient than a comparable synchromesh one, and has less tendency to overheat.


    Other reasons for double-clutching: Because it is the right way to operate the clutch. Because it saves wear and tear on your synchronizers in the long run, if you're planning to run your car over 200,000 miles, as I do. Because it is fun to do. Because in very cold weather, (-10 F, for example) you may have to double-clutch to shift gears at all, at least for the first few miles.


    One very important reason is that, if your clutch linkage ever fails, you can still shift and get home by double-clutching, getting the engine and gears' speeds synchronized and then just EASING the shifter into the right gear. In the last 1,050,000 miles of driving VWs, I have lost my clutch about 3 times, and each time, with careful planning, I've been able to drive home safely. One time I pulled into the Customs House at Calais, Maine, and discovered my clutch was out. I eased along carefully and managed to get all the way home, 350 miles, to Boston, where it was convenient to put the car in the shop to have the clutch repaired—much more convenient than in the middle of a vacation, or the middle of Maine.


    Another reason is that on some old cars, first gear isn't synchromesh, so if you need to shift into first without coming to a full stop, you have to double-clutch. Also, a lot of cars these days are made with weak, chintzy synchros, so they soon wear out, and to drive them gracefully, you need to double-clutch.


    Note, when down-shifting, you have to shift into neutral and then blip the throttle momentarily before you shift into the lower gear. It requires practice and a good feel, a good touch, to do it right, especially considering the embarrassing noises you make if you miss your shift into a low gear on a crash-box. For example, you should aim to have the revs just a little high, so if you miss, the engine will soon slow down, and then gears will be at the right speed to mesh and the cogs will slip in....

  13. #13
    SS#430 1 of 74 7camaro7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Nashville, TN
    Posts
    1,754

    Pewter
    02SS6spd VERT!

    time for a nap, but thanks hahaha, I learned a lot from that one

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Question: whats the difference in koni sing adj and double?
    By bpopham22 in forum Suspension and Handling
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 04-15-2010, 02:37 PM
  2. Someone Please Send Me Link To The Pic Of Double Pink And Double Stink
    By 02cetransam in forum Almost Anything Goes
    Replies: 33
    Last Post: 09-25-2007, 07:22 PM
  3. difference between double & single roller chain
    By Semperfiws6 in forum Internal Engine
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 08-06-2007, 05:50 PM
  4. SPEED SHIFTING ?s
    By 7camaro7 in forum Drivetrain
    Replies: 18
    Last Post: 09-21-2006, 05:35 AM
  5. sf shifting at the speed of light
    By LS1King in forum Western Members
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 09-16-2006, 06:32 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •