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This is a discussion on Spark plug tech information and understanding them within the External Engine forums, part of the LSx Technical Help Section category; Originally Posted by mrr23 are your plugs used in any race only applications by any major/minor teams? Yes they are ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrr23 View Post
    are your plugs used in any race only applications by any major/minor teams?
    Yes they are used by a couple well known drag racing teams. (7-8 second NMRA vehicles). They are also used by a single SCCA team and a single NASA (American Iron) team (driven by Andy Bowman) I believe he came in 2nd, by a hair, last year.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eugenio_SS View Post
    I'd say show them and put your $ where your mouth is... and don't come dancing around the bush saying you are willing to pay for dyno... show the data you have.
    Not showing that data that is "available", makes ppl think it's a very shady operational strategy... if the claims are true, then the data would support it and can only help.
    As you said... you MAY sound stupid... and I agree.
    It would only make sense to share the information... not just the theory.


    you must be kidding right ?
    Unless you think we are so gollable.
    200+ rwhp gain from spark plugs



    Were most of the plugs dead ? were there some ignition plugs missing ?
    do your plugs produce fuel and nitrous in the combustion chamber ?
    ... unless you come out with all the data you say you have, I call it Big-Time BS and I wanna see the data where you got the 200+ rwhp, even if it's a 5000rwhp car.

    Be my guest, you just proved my point. Actually it was ~200hp with JUST the coils, in 2 instances. One owner has a twin T-76 modular motor making 25-28psi, the other owner with a single T-88.

    The twin T-76 couldn't make more then 21psi with OEM coils. He now makes 25-28psi with just the coil swap. The user with the single T-88 couldn't make more then 25psi with the stock coils, he now makes 35+ psi and was still pushing it higher (999.7rwhp through an automatic, street driven vehicle). Both realized significant gains in hp. All legit, with just a coil swap.

    If your laughing right now what makes you think I would want to bother posting spark plug results? They made enough more power to make us all scratch our heads as well. I won't post em, for the same reason you mock us here.

    If you want to call it a scam, and pure BS, that is your prerogative but if your really interested in asking about back to backs vs NGK Iridiums and buying a set give SDConcepts a call. (401.826.4400) They can inform you on how their independent tests went. Best regards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugenio_SS View Post
    i guess he dynoed his 220hp turbo engine with no spark plugs vs with spark plugs.
    i'm wondering how he got the dyno graph with no spark plug @ 0hp @ all rpm range.
    Even Fred Flinstone would produce some power without spark plugs.
    show us that data... or it's PURE
    !? FYI I own a 400rwhp NA Cobra and a stock 92 Daytona IROC R/T turbo (220hp). If you don't have anything to add to the conversation, don't bother posting, this statement has nothing to do with the comments made.

    Like I said call SDConcepts, they will give you their own evaluation of the tests and that way you will know the results are indisputable.
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    geesh... can't take criticism, can we ?
    Then why not post the results if you have them ?
    It would only reinforce your statement, rather than have ppl be in the defensive and always woundering if true or not.

    I don't understand why any compay that has a superior product would hide any findings/results that would make their product stand out.
    As if you're afraid of something... if it's legit, you wouldn't be so defensive on all the secrecy of the results.

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    ps. don't let the door hit you.
    it's your choice if you leave like a baby crying because we are trying to get answers and concrete #s... but we're only getting :bla: :bla-bla: with no actual #s and graphs.
    don't see why you can't just continue and stay showing how your product is superior, but show us the meat, will you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeaponX_Perf View Post
    Yes they are used by a couple well known drag racing teams. (7-8 second NMRA vehicles). They are also used by a single SCCA team and a single NASA (American Iron) team (driven by Andy Bowman) I believe he came in 2nd, by a hair, last year.



    Be my guest, you just proved my point. Actually it was ~200hp with JUST the coils, in 2 instances. One owner has a twin T-76 modular motor making 25-28psi, the other owner with a single T-88.

    The twin T-76 couldn't make more then 21psi with OEM coils. He now makes 25-28psi with just the coil swap. The user with the single T-88 couldn't make more then 25psi with the stock coils, he now makes 35+ psi and was still pushing it higher (999.7rwhp through an automatic, street driven vehicle). Both realized significant gains in hp. All legit, with just a coil swap.

    If your laughing right now what makes you think I would want to bother posting spark plug results? They made enough more power to make us all scratch our heads as well. I won't post em, for the same reason you mock us here.

    If you want to call it a scam, and pure BS, that is your prerogative but if your really interested in asking about back to backs vs NGK Iridiums and buying a set give SDConcepts a call. (401.826.4400) They can inform you on how their independent tests went. Best regards.

    ah-ha !!!
    no kidding, having so much cylinder pressure requires more energy to ignite a spark. having stock coils on such an application WILL cause a misfire... misfire, in case you don't know, means no burning of fuel, no power, not good.
    So by putting any other aftermarket coil that can cope with that kind of higher cylinder pressure and can bring more voltage to the sparkplug, will make the spark happen.
    It has nothing to do with your magical spark plugs.

    As an example,
    If you take a 12:1 compression engine and put a blower capable of 15psi boost on it, you will need to pull a shit-load of timing just to fight detonation alone.
    Yet, if you put some aftermarket ported heads that will effectively lower the compression ratio with higher cc combustion chamber, you can produce more hp... this would not imply that those heads will produce an insane amount of hp in any application.

    By this, I mean, that whenever you have shown to gain a lot of hp, is because of a faulty setup, rather than a good baseline setup, where the spark-plugs/ignition-coils will make a marginal gain, if that.

    I can also say as another example, if you have a 35psi turbo engine running 87octane vs 94octane, will not produce the same hp-gains as a stock ls1 with 87 vs 94 octane, where the gains would be very marginal.
    in the first case, the problem is that the fuel has too low of an octane level to be able to cope with all that boost... it's not the 94 octane that is so much better than I can see a 200 rwhp gain.

    There are some books you can read on faulty reasoning, and basic logical benchmarks... no kidding you don't want to show the #s (ie proof)... you'd be shooting yourself on the foot with the full data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeaponX_Perf View Post
    Yes they are used by a couple well known drag racing teams. (7-8 second NMRA vehicles). They are also used by a single SCCA team and a single NASA (American Iron) team (driven by Andy Bowman) I believe he came in 2nd, by a hair, last year.



    Be my guest, you just proved my point. Actually it was ~200hp with JUST the coils, in 2 instances. One owner has a twin T-76 modular motor making 25-28psi, the other owner with a single T-88.

    The twin T-76 couldn't make more then 21psi with OEM coils. He now makes 25-28psi with just the coil swap. The user with the single T-88 couldn't make more then 25psi with the stock coils, he now makes 35+ psi and was still pushing it higher (999.7rwhp through an automatic, street driven vehicle). Both realized significant gains in hp. All legit, with just a coil swap.

    If your laughing right now what makes you think I would want to bother posting spark plug results? They made enough more power to make us all scratch our heads as well. I won't post em, for the same reason you mock us here.

    If you want to call it a scam, and pure BS, that is your prerogative but if your really interested in asking about back to backs vs NGK Iridiums and buying a set give SDConcepts a call. (401.826.4400) They can inform you on how their independent tests went. Best regards.
    you really want us to post what they said once we called them to enquire on it ?
    Let me just say that your own references concur with my prerogatives.

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    200 HP, if you believe that I have some $11 spark plugs I'd like to sell you.

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    guys wanna laugh ?
    he choses to leave, can't stand criticism, questioning, and even created a troll account account (against the rules) to praise the product...
    and now wants to be refunded for sponsoring here.
    don't know what to do except laugh.
    ps. you're a disgrace to the canadian community. ppl like you and nick agostino (ARE) give sour taste to customers with their lies and BS.

    you say I mock you?
    i'm very respectful and asked questions and asked for proof... to which you did not provide and resumed to victimised yourself like a 3yr old kid tactics.
    your references laughed on the phone and disagree with your statements.
    more reasons to believe it's a scam artist.

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    I hope Ed and/or Brad (or whoever makes those decisions) just refunds the damn money so we can move on.


    $88 for plugs....
    And PunisherTA/WeaponX was talking about a dis-service to the sport/hobby.

    Bye bye now WeaponX/WeaponR/Ractive....whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeaponX_Perf View Post
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    Be my guest, you just proved my point. Actually it was ~200hp with JUST the coils, in 2 instances. One owner has a twin T-76 modular motor making 25-28psi, the other owner with a single T-88.

    The twin T-76 couldn't make more then 21psi with OEM coils. He now makes 25-28psi with just the coil swap. The user with the single T-88 couldn't make more then 25psi with the stock coils, he now makes 35+ psi and was still pushing it higher (999.7rwhp through an automatic, street driven vehicle). Both realized significant gains in hp. All legit, with just a coil swap.
    There are many many LSx builds in that HP range that move away from LS1 coil packs too... they move to (cheap!) TRUCK COILS. FWIW, a very very close friend of mine made 995rwhp (oh yeah, unlike some instances here, I can get a graph)(and a video actually) on an 88mm turbo also. His OEM coils weren't even an issue at that level, but he changed them to truck coils while chasing a gremlin early on. Oh yeah, he made that HP through the (very cheap) TR8 by NGK; a resistor plug.

    But I digress and take your obscurity with me. The customer did not gain 200rwhp from your plugs, he got it back (he had it all along, it was just breaking up) by fixing his problem.

    Really, just bring some real data to the table. A morsel of food to feed the wolves...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugenio_SS View Post
    you really want us to post what they said once we called them to enquire on it ?
    Let me just say that your own references concur with my prerogatives.

    LOL... actually it's because I'm sure the owners of this site have a stake in NGK.com, infact I'll put money on it. They have banned several attempts at me doing a third party dyno. Infact I'll bet this post gets deleted.

    http://www.modularfords.com/forums/s...d.php?t=113434

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeaponX_Perf View Post
    LOL... actually it's because I'm sure the owners of this site have a stake in NGK.com, infact I'll put money on it. They have banned several attempts at me doing a third party dyno. Infact I'll bet this post gets deleted.

    http://www.modularfords.com/forums/s...d.php?t=113434
    i seriously doubt the actual owner of this site has any stake in NGK.com. once you get through using your other identity account on other forums, you'll start to see the LSx community uses NGK as a whole. it became the accepted plug to use.

    no one has 'banned' you from getting someone on here to do a third party dyno test. i've even offered my own car as a testbed for you. you refused. here's that post on modular forums
    http://modularfords.com/forums/showp...0&postcount=85

    as far as the thread getting deleted, just like the others it may get hidden, but not deleted.

    you have been asked multiple times to show your own data on your products to put substance to the claims you make. you flat out refuse to post up said data. you want others to do it for you. in the modularfords thread, you finally put up some independent data. something you could have done here, as you were asked enough times to do so.

    look at post #92 and #93
    http://modularfords.com/forums/showt...113434&page=12

    my reply to your independent dyno results
    http://modularfords.com/forums/showp...7&postcount=98

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    i decided to host the images myself for all to view, seeing as you have refused to do so numerous times.

    first dyno - if i read correctly shows a 5 KW gain? hell splitfire plugs did that in a nonsupercharged motor.



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    second dyno - you're going to attest the 20 rwhp gain was from your plugs only? the plugs got rid of that huge dip in the curve? again a supercharged motor.


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    remember, this thread discussion is about your plugs and what they can do. in this test, they used motorcraft plugs. never switched to your plugs. only your coils.

    third dyno - an 11rwhp gain. on this dyno run, the substantial gains weren't even seen until after 6000 rpms. being a 2001, no supercharger. this was with your coils only.




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    fourth dyno - wow! your plugs only gave that much gain? 39 rwhp. man, sign me up. what kind of vehicle was this on?



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    and this one was coils and plugs.


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    i don't remember you replying back to my comments about the dynos.

    you may have a good product. but, your strategy for coming into the LSx community to promote the product needs some work.

    http://modularfords.com/forums/showp...&postcount=169

    Quote Originally Posted by WeaponX_Perf
    Modularfords is a very technically oriented site and the sharks could have torn WeaponX apart at any moment, but to build a brand I would have rather built it on hard work, third party dynos and educating members rather then pushing ads and our own results. I openly welcomed it and endured almost a 20 page thread with 8000 views pretty much unscathed as my first vendor thread at modularfords. Everybody was open to it and came to their own conclusions. By no means am I saying I'm infallible, I've went on record many times saying that isn't the case, but the thread ended up with everybody asking questions and I answered them all to the best of my ability. I think everybody got something out of that thread which worked out fairly well, even if they didn't like our product.
    you endured that thread about your products, yet do not want to endure ours? maybe the LSx community isn't as easy a pick as you thought it would be.

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