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    Jaam kit or Volant kit WS6

    Ok i'm about to order up one of these two but not sure which one would be the best. Any advice, Reviews, etc

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    i just put in a volant. I think it works best with the WS6 hood, but it doesn't support the radiator as well as the stocker, so i fabbed up some brackets to fit underneath it. Plus, the Jaam kit blocks out the airflow that comes up from under the front bumper as well, which i don't see as a positive thing.

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    [QUOTE=goof4080;2013427]i just put in a volant. I think it works best with the WS6 hood, but it doesn't support the radiator as well as the stocker, so i fabbed up some brackets to fit underneath it. Plus, the Jaam kit blocks out the airflow that comes up from under the front bumper as well, which i don't see as a positive thing.



    Any problem with the fitment?

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    Thanks I was leaning towards that one I just need some positive feedback.I can easily fabb up some brackets if need be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Same ol Situation View Post



    Any problem with the fitment?
    I really didn't find any fitment problems. It hooked over the radiator (just barely, which is why i fabbed up mounts). and it mounted in the stock holes with stock bolts.

    Another argument for Volant and against jaam, and those other 'ram air' intakes. They still require a $90 lid, $50 filter, and the $200 kit.

    Which totals over $300.

    I only paid 280 something from WS6store.com. And they were very helpful as well. Customer service means a lot to me.

    (btw, my problem requiring their help was with some SLP parts, not the volant)

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    Cool I'm going to order one up from ws6store as soon as I get paid thanks

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    i am halfway into installing the jaam ram air kit and i already can feel the difference. So far all i did was install the bottom plate that directs air for the lower nostrels and removed the front and rear baffles from the hood. On the highway it already made a huge difference in my power and mileage. Cant wait to get the foam hood sealing strips on there. This is after i already had the slp lid and filter and bellows i noticed a big difference. This is a true ram air. the volant kit doesnt look like it really seals to the hood that well but its hard to tell from pics. it just looks cheaply made and thats why i didnt go with it but i see a lot of people are happy with them so who knows.

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    [QUOTE=goof4080;2013427]i just put in a volant. I think it works best with the WS6 hood, but it doesn't support the radiator as well as the stocker, so i fabbed up some brackets to fit underneath it. Plus, the Jaam kit blocks out the airflow that comes up from under the front bumper as well, which i don't see as a positive thing.

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    One or the other. If you want to seal your hood, then block off the air coming from underneath. If you want to run an FTRA or similar system then you need to block off the hood. Air entering from two different directions causes turbulence which actually hinders performance. Less air is entering instead of more like one would assume.

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    Gotta be honest I don't know what the fuck to do at this point. Here in Chicago we only got about another month and half maybe before it goes into storage. I put a trans go shift kit in it yesterday that will tie me over until spring.

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    [QUOTE=NvyBluMtlc02WS6;2061057]
    Quote Originally Posted by goof4080 View Post
    i just put in a volant. I think it works best with the WS6 hood, but it doesn't support the radiator as well as the stocker, so i fabbed up some brackets to fit underneath it. Plus, the Jaam kit blocks out the airflow that comes up from under the front bumper as well, which i don't see as a positive thing.

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    One or the other. If you want to seal your hood, then block off the air coming from underneath. If you want to run an FTRA or similar system then you need to block off the hood. Air entering from two different directions causes turbulence which actually hinders performance. Less air is entering instead of more like one would assume.
    while kind of true..not so much for our application...people do not see decreases in performance when they have both open. with that being said..my air box is sealed to the hood.

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    Going with JAAM kit and FTP lid made my decision last nite after numerous research and questioning.

    Thanks for the responses

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itllrun View Post
    Going with JAAM kit and FTP lid made my decision last nite after numerous research and questioning.

    Thanks for the responses

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    You know the FTP lid is too large for the stock MAF. You'll either need a larger MAF or go Speed Density Tune, delete the MAF, and run a straight silicone tube like I did:


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    Yeah correction I'm going with The JAAM ram air kit slp lid and slp bellow. there's no need for that FTP lid and having to change a bunch of shit I just have bolt ons. The stock MAF is fine for now. I don't think the 85mm maf and changing all that shit is neccessary but now i'm curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siciliano15 View Post
    i am halfway into installing the jaam ram air kit and i already can feel the difference. So far all i did was install the bottom plate that directs air for the lower nostrels and removed the front and rear baffles from the hood. On the highway it already made a huge difference in my power and mileage. Cant wait to get the foam hood sealing strips on there. This is after i already had the slp lid and filter and bellows i noticed a big difference. This is a true ram air. the volant kit doesnt look like it really seals to the hood that well but its hard to tell from pics. it just looks cheaply made and thats why i didnt go with it but i see a lot of people are happy with them so who knows.
    Volant does seal to the hood, even as-is, but some will even add more with pipe insulation, mine as is stock volant system will leave marks on the bottom of the hood where the dirt lines are... so yea, they seal... As far as how they are made, they are well constructed and sturdy, but some will complain they were under engineered.... most complaining about the radiator support, yet is easilly fixed.... another interesting point is that you gain almost twice the surface area of a flat drop in filter with the dual cone setup so there is also to take into consideration...

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    Quote Originally Posted by suede View Post
    Volant does seal to the hood, even as-is, but some will even add more with pipe insulation, mine as is stock volant system will leave marks on the bottom of the hood where the dirt lines are... so yea, they seal... As far as how they are made, they are well constructed and sturdy, but some will complain they were under engineered.... most complaining about the radiator support, yet is easilly fixed.... another interesting point is that you gain almost twice the surface area of a flat drop in filter with the dual cone setup so there is also to take into consideration...
    it may seal to the hood in some spots but theres no way it creates anywhere near the type of seal that a lid will create unless you add your own foam strips and build them up. also there is no need for twice the surface area of a lid filter because its all going into an 80mm round opening and a k&n filter of that size is not going to be a restriction at all to that 80mm opening. i just dont think the crappy quality and structural support of the volant is worth it since it probably wouldnt provide any more power

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siciliano15 View Post
    it may seal to the hood in some spots but theres no way it creates anywhere near the type of seal that a lid will create unless you add your own foam strips and build them up. also there is no need for twice the surface area of a lid filter because its all going into an 80mm round opening and a k&n filter of that size is not going to be a restriction at all to that 80mm opening. i just dont think the crappy quality and structural support of the volant is worth it since it probably wouldnt provide any more power
    how do you figgure it doesn't seal up?

    on the S.A., thats like saying why run a fast 92mm intake because its not going to show any improvement because it runs through a 80mm MAF....



    but they are well built, just have a design flaw with the radiator support


    plus you gotta think of the path that the airflow has to take...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siciliano15 View Post
    On the highway it already made a huge difference in my power and mileage. Cant wait to get the foam hood sealing strips on there. This is after i already had the slp lid and filter and bellows i noticed a big difference. This is a true ram air.
    A true ram is a supercharger or a turbo charger, anything else is wanna be.
    As for feeling it on the highway, thats all in your head.
    A 10 h.p increase if you get even that much from the Jamm is not something that a person can feel. A person would be lucky to gain a tenth at the track from 10 rwhp.
    Generally speaking it take a bump of 10% in power for a person to actually feel it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Siciliano15 View Post
    i just dont think the crappy quality and structural support of the volant is worth it since it probably wouldnt provide any more power
    Lol, you have a aftermarket bellows, something thats useless for power and question the power that another item makes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nhraformula View Post
    A true ram is a supercharger or a turbo charger, anything else is wanna be.
    As for feeling it on the highway, thats all in your head.
    A 10 h.p increase if you get even that much from the Jamm is not something that a person can feel. A person would be lucky to gain a tenth at the track from 10 rwhp.
    Generally speaking it take a bump of 10% in power for a person to actually feel it.


    Lol, you have a aftermarket bellows, something thats useless for power and question the power that another item makes.
    the bellows were one of the first things i ever did. whether or not it gives any hp is up for debate but at least it smoothes the airflow and looks nicer than the accordian one.

    secondly, i took the car out before installing the jaam and removing the hood baffles and then after doing that and it was definetely noticeable at 60mph+. i removed the baffles and installed the jaam at the same time. Maybe it picked up more hp than 10? but whatever it picked up it is pretty obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhraformula View Post
    A true ram is a supercharger or a turbo charger, anything else is wanna be.
    As for feeling it on the highway, thats all in your head.
    hey now i have do disagree ..my car was a dog up top before i de-baffled my suncoast creation ram air hood..it is a sealed box ..and from about 120-35ish it was dead slow..de-baffled and it was able to smoothly go past 135ish..only did it 2 tho . but i think it is noticeable on certain intake systems when you de-baffle

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    Wow lol touchy touchy JAAM is the way to go with a ws6. Thats what i keep hearing so i'm rolling with it.

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