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This is a discussion on Hydrogen Fuel Injection within the External Engine forums, part of the LSx Technical Help Section category; My neighbor put a similar device on his heads/mild cam fuel injected 5.0 mustang. He has the hydrogen producing canister ...

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    My neighbor put a similar device on his heads/mild cam fuel injected 5.0 mustang.

    He has the hydrogen producing canister venting the gas to his throttle body. He also has a potentiometer that plugs into maf sensor and lowers its voltage to keep the computer from richening fuel curve back up on him. Lastly, he has insulated his O2 sensors.

    He said this simple looking system took him from 25 mpg to 40 mpg or so, and he is still experimenting. This is second hand, so take it at face value. Once I get my camaro back on the road (needs flywheel/clutch), I will try this out and report back. I am waiting on my 'economic stimulus' check to be mailed still....

    Ben in AZ
    P.S. He is already in the process of making a new canister that will theoretically produce more hydrogen.
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    I have a friend who helped me install this on a '94 mazda 2.3L pickup.
    Mileage went from 24mpg to almost 32mpg. About a 25% increase.
    The site is water4gas.com, you can find the online books on how to do this along with the parts needed.



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    Quote Originally Posted by az-ben View Post
    P.S. He is already in the process of making a new canister that will theoretically produce more hydrogen.
    my friend used the "charged water" method and got a 70% increase in mileage, up from the 35% increase using the electrolysis method.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abqz28 View Post
    my friend used the "charged water" method and got a 70% increase in mileage, up from the 35% increase using the electrolysis method.
    wow awesome info!!! good you hear some "real" results with this!! keep us updated if you or your friend have any issues with it!

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    sorry bro, that is STILL electrolysis. and a 70% increase in mileage? you're insane. for the sake of anyone around here still thinking please stop propagating this crap.... this isnt at all new technology. this same thing was out in the 70s as well.... didnt work then... doesnt work now.

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    I know that it is still electrolysis and browns gas is used. 70% is going from 28 mpg to about 49-50mpg.

    Now I'm not saying its going to do this on your camaro, I'm saying that on a pre odbII car its gonna be simple and effective.

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    ok, lets get this straight right here and now. lots of confusion on this subject. brown's gas is not A gas. it is the product of electrolysis which is a 2:1 mixture of hydrogen and oxygen. as per the reasoning before, since it is not injected but simply vented into the chamber, you are affecting less than .1% of the mixture at low rpm (about half of what a normal car would be at the highway) so we could even say .05%, 1/3 of that isnt even hydrogen, its oxygen. since over 20% of the atmosphere is oxygen anyway you have effectively accomplished nothing

    im shocked that someone decided to name that after themselves. "browns gas" is a basically the result of a blunder of electrolysis... usually you want to separate the annode and cathode into different tubes so that the gasses are separated. here they are not. thats the only difference

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    Best links i have found on the subject

    http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/News.do?id=529[/URL]

    [URL="http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/reports.htm"]
    [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_saving_devices"]



    http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/News.do?id=529

    http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/reports.htm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_saving_devices

    Because im half dumb and not sure if the hyperlinks attached i copy and posted the same links again they are the lower set.
    I was really interested in the topic and from the above information it does not look good....and if gas were 2$ we probably would be talking intakes and cams right now....

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    wiki isnt reliable. i can go in there right now and write an article saying if you smack your dashboard with ur junk you will increase mileage because of the added momentum, but you require at least a 7 incher for the effect to be noticable.......

    i didnt read those hyperlinks though, care to give the general gist?

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    the epa link has a review of atleast 2 dozen different products. i was on my lunch break (wink wink) when i found the site so i did not read the reviews of any of them -cant tell you what they contain but it did look like something i would refer to before purchasing any gas saving device. the other link is an article that quotes epa staff and the departments findings on a variety of different products. the article mentions the hydro7000 along with the tornado air and the 'gas magnets'.
    The executive summary of all three articles.....there are more BS products than real ones and with gas getting more expensive people are apt to try anything....the device that works the best is taking the foot off the gas...but who can do that?

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    If it's on wikipedia it must be true, right?

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    i can spell this out another way. based on what i said on the other page, you arent making enough hydrogen to accomplish anything. but the other side to these things is you trick the pcm to running lean since ur injecting hydrogen. so really.... all you are doing is running dangerously lean. you will still get better mileage.... but does anyone really think this is a smart move?

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    guess the ole addage is still true seems too good must not be.

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