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    Here's an off the wall question for CompSyn -- is the Ea filter available with white media? It would be nice to maintain the factory appearance for our restored toys, especially those with open air cleaner assemblies. I only found blue when I viewed the Amsoil site.

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    Asked about locally available filters ona local forum and heres what one guy responded today.

    [quote]I've been running the K&N CAI for several years and i've just had my oil analysis done before i put it away for the winter. It came back with wear at half what it should be for it's age and kilometers - also stating that the air and oil filtration is very good. I run K&N for both oil and air filtering.[quote]

    If UOAs were very important surely they would have let him know he had bricks coming through his k&n. obviously as stated in the thread, which I'll link below, driving conditions and area can make a huge difference.

    http://forums.tfbm.org/index.php?t=msg&th=6710&start=0&

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    [quote=5abivt;2149894]Asked about locally available filters ona local forum and heres what one guy responded today.

    [quote]I've been running the K&N CAI for several years and i've just had my oil analysis done before i put it away for the winter. It came back with wear at half what it should be for it's age and kilometers - also stating that the air and oil filtration is very good. I run K&N for both oil and air filtering.

    If UOAs were very important surely they would have let him know he had bricks coming through his k&n. obviously as stated in the thread, which I'll link below, driving conditions and area can make a huge difference.

    http://forums.tfbm.org/index.php?t=msg&th=6710&start=0&
    Interesting, maybe 93zder could post the actual UOA report? I'd like to see the silicone, iron, aluminum and the rest of the numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pajeff02 View Post
    Here's an off the wall question for CompSyn -- is the Ea filter available with white media? It would be nice to maintain the factory appearance for our restored toys, especially those with open air cleaner assemblies. I only found blue when I viewed the Amsoil site.
    Blue is the only color I know of and have seen. You'll be the first to know if a white version pops up though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smittro View Post
    Okay guys I'm gonna try to put this to bed here..


    Any questions?............
    Are you saying never oil your K&N, or do you think those holes were there to begin with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusJ View Post
    Are you saying never oil your K&N, or do you think those holes were there to begin with?

    Nowhere did I make mention or advise for someone to not oil their K&N filter nor do I use K&N filters anymore. The holes? Yes, they were there. I sertainly did'nt make them myself..
    The entire filter had those holes in it. They are junk nothing more nothing less..
    After a lenthy use of 6000mi. with K&N, I've come to the conclusion that I'd rather buy 100 paper filters than EVER use another K&N filter in one of my pristine sport vehicles.. @ 1500 miles my motor oil was black like I never change it (I do NOT beat on my rides). Oil changes @ 3000 mi. are NEVER missed in any of my rides ever.. Unless you'd consider the 50 or so miles to my shop in the country too far over due. Again my Camaro is fly by wire (no cables), and every thing after the K&N had a film of filthy oil on it.

    I use Purolator oil filters, and Castrol motor oil. I've used Castrol since I started driving legally nearly 20 years ago. A few months ago I changed to the Puro oil filters, from the junk Fram "glued you're screwed" filters. But I may change again to the Bosch, or the Motorcraped filters due to a member here having actually cut them apart to inspect them.. Hope this cleared it up for ya..
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    [quote=CompSyn;2150443][quote=5abivt;2149894]Asked about locally available filters ona local forum and heres what one guy responded today.

    I've been running the K&N CAI for several years and i've just had my oil analysis done before i put it away for the winter. It came back with wear at half what it should be for it's age and kilometers - also stating that the air and oil filtration is very good. I run K&N for both oil and air filtering.

    Interesting, maybe 93zder could post the actual UOA report? I'd like to see the silicone, iron, aluminum and the rest of the numbers.
    Here's what he posted over on the local forum :

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    I dont have a soft copy to post, but the contaminant they look for to detect airborne dirt escaping air filtration is 'silicon'. My analysis came back with a reading of 11 where the average is 22.

    As well they check for 'insolubles' which indicates if there are any solid materials present in the oil. My reading was .3 where the average is .6 or less.

    Since both of my readings are at half the average values - this indicates good air and oil filtration - both K&N in my case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CompSyn View Post
    Blue is the only color I know of and have seen. You'll be the first to know if a white version pops up though.

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    I bought an Ea Filter from CompSyn a while back to REPLACE my K&N, and I have been pleased with it. What I liked about it first was the tight fit in the air box. The K&N seemed a little loose, and I think the seal could have been compromised somewhat. I did notice a little build up near the MAF screen that appeared to be oily with the K&N and I took great pains to oil it correctly. With the Ea, I can't say I "felt" a performance gain, but I trust the company to have quality products. I take it out and shake it during oil changes (third one coming up), and remove debris from the filter area with only that process or low pressure air. My car has the air mod, lid, and functional SS ram air hood. If it gave me a 1 hp gain, great, but I want the engine protected above all. I think the Ea trumps the K&N in that regard.

    Now to find an Ea to replace the K&N FIPK (round) filter on my '96 Dodge Ram 318!!! on that engine I can tell you the K&N FIPK kit greatly increased air volume over the stock box, and it did indeed make a noticeable increase in performance. The engine was starved for air! That was replaced over 11 YEARS ago, and still going strong. Truck has 110,000 on it, and I've only replaced an O2 sensor above normal maintenance.

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    [quote=5abivt;2151707][quote=CompSyn;2150443][quote=5abivt;2149894]Asked about locally available filters ona local forum and heres what one guy responded today.



    Here's what he posted over on the local forum :

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    I dont have a soft copy to post, but the contaminant they look for to detect airborne dirt escaping air filtration is 'silicon'. My analysis came back with a reading of 11 where the average is 22.

    As well they check for 'insolubles' which indicates if there are any solid materials present in the oil. My reading was .3 where the average is .6 or less.

    Since both of my readings are at half the average values - this indicates good air and oil filtration - both K&N in my case.
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    Thats sounds about right, I am still waiting on K&N to show up here, heck they called me back the other day to let me know they would show up and answer any questions we had. Still waiting

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    Yeah that sounds solid. Let's take the manufacturer's word over neutral third parties that have no vesting.

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    man ur harsh....stop attacking people

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    Hey Supercop, what Frost says is right on. Would you expect a K&N representative to give you unbiased information and in essence discount their own product? I think not. Further up in this thread I listed a site that compared about 7 different air filters side by side and the entity doing the test had no affiliation to any one of the products being tested. I personally, think the Duramax test speaks for itself. After you look at the comparison charts, I could only imagine why you would not feel the same way many on this thread do. But, here again, that's my opinion.....

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    Dude I am just trying to help......."that's my opinion..... '' yes it is, I Know they have testing done on them, what would it hurt to have them here to ask some questions, heck I have some I want to ask.

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    Don't get me wrong Supercop, I'm not attacking you either. I could only guess what a K&N rep would be saying, trying to defend their product. I think it would be good having them on here too, but I know this, anything the K&N rep would say would be biased and tinted toward trying to make their product look as good as possible, as would I, if I had a product that was keeping food on my table. Who knows, the K&N rep might look at the Duramax test, and decide to not show up!!

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    Sorry I don't mean to come off rude, I am just not a sugar-coater. The point of manufacturer bias had been made multiple times in the thread already. I will get out of here now; meant no malice anywhere I swear

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    K&N will NOT come on this site.. Forget about it. They will take one look @ our sponcers and never look back... Just my .02

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    Quote Originally Posted by herculesrider1 View Post
    I’ve seen the above posted duramax-diesel.com/spicer air filter comparison before and it’s a well done comparison, but outdated. The Amsoil filter used in the Spicer test is Amsoil’s previous foam air filter which was later replaced by the Donaldson Nanofiber air filter, a substantial increase in filtering performance.

    Check out the links on Nanofiber air filter technology below. You’ll notice that air filters constructed with Nanofiber synthetic media is the air filter of choice in Military, Cummins HD, and Aviation applications:

    1) Nanofibers in Filtration Applications in Transportation - link

    2) CUMMINS - DEVELOPMENT OF HIGH DUST CAPACITY, HIGH EFFICIENCY
    ENGINE AIR FILTER WITH NANOFIBERS
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    3) Donaldson Engine Air Intake Filters - link

    4) Donaldson: The Facts About Your Air Filter - link

    5) Donaldson Company Selected to Develop Filtration System for U.S. Army Abrams-Crusader Common Engine Program – Article


    M1 Abrams tank with pulse-jet air cleaner and nanofiber filter system for filtration of the turbine combustion air.

    6) AMSOIL® Introduces Donaldson Endurance™ Air and Oil Filters with Nanofiber Technology - link

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5abivt View Post
    I dont have a soft copy to post, but the contaminant they look for to detect airborne dirt escaping air filtration is 'silicon'. My analysis came back with a reading of 11 where the average is 22.
    Although a silicon reading of 11 is not too bad, there is still room for improvement. As we have learned from a Certified Lubrication Specialist already in this thread, "If you have single digit silicon and low wear metals with your oil analysis results, you are about as good as it gets!”

    Some oil analysis labs post “Universal Averages” in their UOA reports. A universal average is just that, an average, and may not represent the best possible wear number achievable by an individual application.

    Will the deference in 11ppm or say 6ppm of silicon in a UOA report be that detrimental for long term durability? Which value would you choose for your car?
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