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    The Earl's site was about useless... how did you find the P/N?

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    I remembered seeing them on speed engineerings website, did a quick search and found it.

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    Thanks. Looks like the Earl's kit applies to both traction control and non-traction control cars from what I read.

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    Valid point. On the flip side, you're supposed to make more than you spend, right?

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    I'm a fan of HAWK HPS pads. Good bite, last a long time, the brake dust is a lot less than the cheapo parts store pads but not as "dustless" as ceramics. I've ran them on two different cars and I plan on putting them on the Z06 once I wear down the factory stuff.

    For rotors I would go with blanks or slotted. Drilled or even dimpled will start to show small microfractures on the face of the rotors around the dimples or holes after some abuse. These can lead to stress cracks through the whole rotor. I had a drilled and slotted R1 concept rotor do this. It's not the manufactures fault. This is what drilled rotors do.

    Make sure the rotors you choose are zinc coated, or dichromatic (sp?)coated or have some kind of other coating. If they don't they'll start to get surface rust anywhere the pads do not make contact.

    Most aftermarket (cheaper) rotor companys get they're blanks from the same supplier. Good quality blanks. The price difference comes from proprietary coatings, drilling, slotting, dimpling processes, ect done after they get the rotors.

    If you want to look at the cheaper rotor companies I would look at Brakemotive rotors. They sell all kinds of styles and coatings. They will work with what you want. They were selling a complete set of 4 uncoated blanks on Corvette Forum for about ~120shipped. They were for the HPDE track guys to thrash and the first guys to buy them at a discount and report back were pleased. They held up just as well as the NAPA top of the line Premium rotors and cost 1/4 of the price.

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    Thanks for the info, Capt. My original plan was to purchase slotted rotors, nothing that has been cross-drilled for the exact reason you stated. I just wasn't sure on a brand, but with the info posted in this thread I will be giving the R1 Concepts rotors a try. Most likely, I'll also get the Hawk HPS pads and see how the combo works.

    Jon - I tried the Live Chat on R1's site to see what they said about where their rotors are cast and machined. Either Chat wasn't working last night... or no one was listening on the other end.

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    Yeah I have some cheap eBay drilled and slotted rotars. The car needed brakes when I bought it in 06, so I put those on and they are starting to crack around where the holes are drilled. Next set will be slotted only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 0rion View Post
    you're just wanting to upgrade the stock hardware correct? Not go with bigger brakes right? I'm telling you Jeff....I've had nothing but good experiences with R1 concepts from ebay and everyone I know that has bought those rotors have nothing but good things to say. As far as pads I just run nice quality pads like wagner or bendix on my cars and have no complaints. I have bendix pads and r1 rotors on the firebird and have a ton of passes on them with no issues. It's just hard for me to justify the extra money for hawk and ebc stuff when I can get stuff that works great cheaper.
    Quote Originally Posted by Deviant LS1 View Post
    I'm a fan of HAWK HPS pads. Good bite, last a long time, the brake dust is a lot less than the cheapo parts store pads but not as "dustless" as ceramics. I've ran them on two different cars and I plan on putting them on the Z06 once I wear down the factory stuff.

    For rotors I would go with blanks or slotted. Drilled or even dimpled will start to show small microfractures on the face of the rotors around the dimples or holes after some abuse. These can lead to stress cracks through the whole rotor. I had a drilled and slotted R1 concept rotor do this. It's not the manufactures fault. This is what drilled rotors do.

    Make sure the rotors you choose are zinc coated, or dichromatic (sp?)coated or have some kind of other coating. If they don't they'll start to get surface rust anywhere the pads do not make contact.

    Most aftermarket (cheaper) rotor companys get they're blanks from the same supplier. Good quality blanks. The price difference comes from proprietary coatings, drilling, slotting, dimpling processes, ect done after they get the rotors.

    If you want to look at the cheaper rotor companies I would look at Brakemotive rotors. They sell all kinds of styles and coatings. They will work with what you want. They were selling a complete set of 4 uncoated blanks on Corvette Forum for about ~120shipped. They were for the HPDE track guys to thrash and the first guys to buy them at a discount and report back were pleased. They held up just as well as the NAPA top of the line Premium rotors and cost 1/4 of the price.
    Quote Originally Posted by pajeff02 View Post
    Thanks for the info, Capt. My original plan was to purchase slotted rotors, nothing that has been cross-drilled for the exact reason you stated. I just wasn't sure on a brand, but with the info posted in this thread I will be giving the R1 Concepts rotors a try. Most likely, I'll also get the Hawk HPS pads and see how the combo works.

    Jon - I tried the Live Chat on R1's site to see what they said about where their rotors are cast and machined. Either Chat wasn't working last night... or no one was listening on the other end.

    ^^^Great info

    It's amazing what I learn on this site.

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    How long do the Hawks last?

    The current ones I got I'm really hating. I feel like it takes longer to stop and the break dust

    Makes clean up a mofo....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pajeff02 View Post
    Jon - I tried the Live Chat on R1's site to see what they said about where their rotors are cast and machined. Either Chat wasn't working last night... or no one was listening on the other end.
    If I remember, I might try calling tomorrow. I'm interested now. I wouldn't be surprised if the raw rotor was from offshore and then they machined them here in the states. I thought I remember seeing that they were machined here though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMWS6TA View Post
    How long do the Hawks last?

    The current ones I got I'm really hating. I feel like it takes longer to stop and the break dust

    Makes clean up a mofo....
    Which Hawk Pads did you get? Did you bed them correctly when they were first installed? My HPS pads on my first car lasted about 2 years, 25k miles before the front got to the wear indicators. The Trans Am HPS pads lasted 3 years/30k miles and it still had plenty of meat left when I sold the car. I don't drive like a grandma but I don't emergency stop at every stop light. The pads saw plenty quick slow downs after 120-130mph highway pulls about every other weekend.

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    Are the ceramic pads that come with the R1 concepts package on ebay any good?

    [FRONT+REAR] 4 ELINE DIAMOND SLOTTED PERFORMANCE BRAKE ROTORS +8 CERAMIC PADS | eBay

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deviant LS1 View Post
    Which Hawk Pads did you get? Did you bed them correctly when they were first installed? My HPS pads on my first car lasted about 2 years, 25k miles before the front got to the wear indicators. The Trans Am HPS pads lasted 3 years/30k miles and it still had plenty of meat left when I sold the car. I don't drive like a grandma but I don't emergency stop at every stop light. The pads saw plenty quick slow downs after 120-130mph highway pulls about every other weekend.


    I see my post error, I currently do not have Hawk pads. I'm using pads from O'Rielly's, can't remember the name I just know they are ceramic.

    I'm looking for better pads. That is why I asked about Hawks.
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    I have never tried ceramic pads on any of our cars. Anyone?

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    Not bad but like I said above I'm not liking the current ones I've got. I wish I remember what brand

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