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    I have a 2002 ss with the t-56 6 speed. Did the skip shift delete with a resistor from radio shack. All of a sudden i get in my car turn the key to the on position depress the clutch pedal and attempt to start the car nothing happens. Gauges and lights on the dash are all normal!?! Bring my truck over and attempt to jump it off.... same thing. get out my meter battery is fine. Beginning to think its the clutch switch if there even is one... So i "rock they key" back and forth. (twist key to on and off position rapidly) BAM it fires right up like it was no big deal. Runs fine but i did notice the security light on the gauge bezel stayed on for a bit, which is not normal. The only reason I am posting this is because it has happened a few times now. what can i bypass or replace to fix this? Thanks for the help.

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    VATS is acting up

    Read this:
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    Still look at the safety switch for the clutch. Just follow the pedal up and you'll see a while cylinder thing that should be touching the pedal shaft. It may be off. They crack and break over time. You do have 2 options to fix this. Replace it or use zip ties to hold it in place. I did the second one, going on 3 yrs now and no issues.
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    Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it.

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    looks like another trip back to radio shack for some more resistors. That link up there has a ton of info on doing the bypass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0rion View Post
    looks like another trip back to radio shack for some more resistors. That link up there has a ton of info on doing the bypass.
    I put it in my favorites

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0rion View Post
    looks like another trip back to radio shack for some more resistors. That link up there has a ton of info on doing the bypass.
    It seems this is the repair of the month lately....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMWS6TA View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by 0rion View Post
    looks like another trip back to radio shack for some more resistors. That link up there has a ton of info on doing the bypass.
    It seems this is the repair of the month lately....
    I hope to never have this problem.
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    The more I read about this issue, the more annoyed I become. And I don't even own an F-body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 98TransAmWs-6 View Post
    I hope to never have this problem.
    it's not "if".....it's "when". It's a bad design and will fail eventually. Unless you live in a ghetto you're probably better off just going ahead and doing the bypass before it gives you problems because at some point it will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cammed goat View Post
    The more I read about this issue, the more annoyed I become. And I don't even own an F-body.
    at least it's an easy and cheap fix. Not having vats is no big deal to me. I grew up with cars that had the OG anti-theft system.....door locks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMWS6TA View Post
    VATS is acting up

    Read this:
    How to Bypass your VATS



    Still look at the safety switch for the clutch. Just follow the pedal up and you'll see a while cylinder thing that should be touching the pedal shaft. It may be off. They crack and break over time. You do have 2 options to fix this. Replace it or use zip ties to hold it in place. I did the second one, going on 3 yrs now and no issues.

    Ok here is the scoop.... I have a fluke meter and am familiar with its operation and electrical. "Not familiar enough apparently" When I ohm across the chip ("silver part on one side of the key, from end to end") my meter spikes anywhere from 0.8-0.6 ohms. Then quickly works its way down to 0.2-0.1 ohms. It rocks between 0.1 and 0.2. and the meter is beeping indicating a completed circuit... My issue is what freaking resistor do I buy????
    Thanks for the help guys.

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    Based on your readings it looks like you have pelet 3 Low 654 ohms, High 728ohms, nominal 681 ohms.



    This chart is for any GM product, Buick, Cadillac, Oldsombile, Chevrolet, and Pontiac that has a VATS key (single or double-sided.)

    VATS # (K)OHMS (Set your meter to the 20k ohm setting)

    1———— 0.402
    2———— 0.523
    3———— 0.681
    4————-0.887
    5————-1.130
    6————-1.470
    7————-1.870
    8————-2.370
    9————-3.010
    10————3.740
    11————4.750
    12————6.040
    13————7.500
    14————9.530
    15————11.801


    which ever one you are closest too this is the resistor you need. You may need to combine a few to get around the number you need.

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    Ok i see my meter only has 1 ohm setting... thanks so much ill go pick up another meter.

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    No need for a new meter. Your fluke should be auto ranging, you won't have multiple settings for resistance readings.

    I believe your measuring it incorrectly. That low of a reading is for continuity, your measuring the key itself I believe. You need to measure the chip it's self.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmdef9 View Post
    no need for a new meter. Your fluke should be auto ranging, you won't have multiple settings for resistance readings.

    I believe your measuring it incorrectly. That low of a reading is for continuity, your measuring the key itself i believe. you need to measure the chip it's self.
    this!!!!

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    Here's what the setup should look like when your measuring the resistance. Careful not to touch ANYTHING else, other than the two little pieces of metal.




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    ok when i ohm like you show in the pictures i get no reading at all.... i was ohming from one end of the silver chip inside the black chip to the other... like it was a barrel fuse. i have a fluke 322 clamp meter

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    The 322 is namely for higher load applications, residential, industrial, etc. But should work fine.

    I had to wiggle the leads alittle bit to get a reading on my meter. Try that, it should give you a reading after a few seconds sometimes (takes the autorange a few to catch up).

    Do you have your other set of keys?

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    yes and i have the same issue with the readings.... i do mostly industrial work... 480v stuff

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    you ohm that pellet from side to side....clean the pellet first with a pencil eraser or even hit it with some scotch brite or something to make sure you're making good contact.

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