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    This seems like a bit pricey...

    Just got this email from a local shop with a workup of what ought to get me to about 475/425 rwhp/tq. This seems a bit extreme on the price, particularly the labor. Thats like 35 hours of labor for the install, I had another shop quoting me labor time more in the 15-20 hour range...


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    Item Description - Quantity - Unit Price - Total Price
    1 TFS 215 Cylinder Heads with HD Dual Springs 1 $2,995.00 $2,995.00
    2 Rapid Dominator 232 Camshaft $0.00
    3 Moly Pushrods $0.00
    4 Harlan Sharp Roller Rocker Set 1 $454.74 $454.74
    5 FAST 90mm Ported Intake Manifold 1 $889.45 $889.45
    6 Nick Williams 90mm Throttle Body 1 $450.00 $450.00
    7 SLP 160* T-Stat 1 $65.00 $65.00
    8 Power Bond 25% U/D Balancer with Belts 1 $288.16 $288.16
    9 NGK TR-55 Spark Plugs 8 $4.50 $36.00
    10 Cut Cylinder Heads to 59cc 2 $75.00 $150.00
    11 GM HD Single Timing Chain 1 $40.00 $40.00
    12 Rapid Ported LS6 Oil Pump 1 $129.00 $129.00
    13 Dyno Time 1 $150.00 $150.00
    14 SVO 30lb Fuel Injector Set 1 $325.56 $325.56
    15 $0.00
    16 Magnaflow Cat-Back Exhaust 1 $411.62 $411.62
    17 SLP LS1 Air Lid 1 $99.95 $99.95
    18 LS6 85mm MAF with Adaptor 1 $195.65 $195.65
    19 2001+ Coolant Pipe Kit 1 $55.43 $55.43
    20 ARH 1-3/4"SS Headers 1 $845.02 $845.02
    21 ARH Off-Road Y Pipe - 3" 1 $365.00 $365.00
    22 O2 Harness Extension 2 $21.35 $42.70
    23 $0.00
    24 LS7 Clutch Kit 1 $429.76 $429.76
    25 Clutch Slave Cylinder 1 $128.90 $128.90
    26 GM F-Body Master Cylinder 1 $163.12 $163.12
    27 $0.00
    28 $0.00
    29 $0.00
    30 $0.00
    31 $0.00
    Labor
    1 Installation on Above Parts $2,250.00
    2 EFI Live Dyno Tuning Session $350.00
    3 FAST 90mm Intake Porting $250.00
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    Parts Total $8,710.06
    Labor Total $2,850.00
    PA 6% Sales Tax $693.60
    Shipping
    Total $12,253.66
    Payment:
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    Balance $12,253.66

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    shops can choose whatever they want on how much labor they wanna charge. just go to the cheapest one as long as their all respected.

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    You could save a grand right off the top by going with a different set of heads. stage 2 ported LS6 heads can be had for around 1200.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheeler99WS6 View Post
    You could save a grand right off the top by going with a different set of heads. stage 2 ported LS6 heads can be had for around 1200.
    Ya but speed cost money,,,and the ported LS6 heads are a decent bang for your buck,,,,but they won't perform near as well as the TFS heads will.

    You're talking about an LS6 head with stock 15* valve angles,,,and I believe the Trick Flow heads come with 13.5* valve angles,,,,may not sound like much but it puts the Trick Flow heads on a completely different playing field. Much like the LS7 heads with 12* valve angles,,,again a completely different playing field.

    How much HP do ya want???? And how much do ya want to spend???

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    Looking it over I don't really see anything completely out of line. That's quite a few parts and quite a bit of labor involved. I see some nickel and dime things you could save money on but for the most part I don't think that looks to bad.

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    Never hear anything but good stuff about Mike from Rapid Motorsports. The only way to beat the labor charge is to DIY.

    I tuned an AFR-headed 402 he built that was in a TA a few years back that is still running very strongly. The cam he picked for the setup worked well.

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    12,000+ for 475hp???

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD RECOVERY EXPERT View Post
    12,000+ for 475hp???
    no, 12K for that long list of items and services.

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    yeah but still he is only gonna get 475 hp outta that?? seems a bit rediculous to me

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    The guy at the shop thinks that list of stuff should be good for about 475rwhp(so about 550 at the engine) and 420ft lbs.

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    I really don't see those prices out of line. Looks about right considering everything. Labor isn't cheap nowadays, and speed parts add up quickly.

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    not outta line, just not worth it imo. could get that hp dependably for way less.

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    Ya maybe, but HP is a relative term. Too many variables. Good tuning tool, but nobody races dynos. It would be all for not though without a rearend to hold all that,,,and I didn't see one on the list. Another 2 grand right there.

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    i think that is crazy pricey myself i've doing some serious reserch for my H/C/ I install and if i were him i would just go with an STS turbo kit u'd save 5K + in the end

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    Power adder is the easy way out

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    his parts total alone was 8700 and almost 700 in taxes. It costs money to go fast. You have to remember he's getting TFS heads, fast 90/90, and full ARH exhaust. Those parts ain't cheap but they're good quality parts. Not everyone wants to do forced induction. Some of us still like to hear a nice cam thumping in there from time to time.

    He will definitely be wanting to upgrade that rear though, I don't see it lasting long with that power on an m6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebirdjones View Post
    Power adder is the easy way out

    not if you build an engine to go along with it I dare not call any turbo project the easy way out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frost View Post
    not if you build an engine to go along with it I dare not call any turbo project the easy way out.
    I think he was referring more to the guys that just slap a sc on there and call it a day. There's nothing wrong with that IMO but it's apples and oranges compared to the parts list in this thread or an all out FI car. Forged internals ain't cheap either and in the long run you'll pay for a well done FI car too.

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    i know those r good parts. i also don't do things half ass. i'm a big choppy cam guy myself i was just givng some other ideas thats all. is he goin with the stock bottom end ??

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    i know a guy that has an STS kit wit a bigger turbo n H/C Don't know all the modds n he's make 627RWHP on pump gas on low boost. n he has almost 11 k in to it

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