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This is a discussion on K&n Or Paper Filter? within the General Help forums, part of the LSx Technical Help Section category; Thats an interesting case of NOTHING happening, but even still....

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    Thats an interesting case of NOTHING happening, but even still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stanger88 View Post
    I have a friend who ran a turbo civic for almost 2 years without a filter. It ran the same mid 11's @ 126 when he sold it as when he got it. I doubt K&N vs Paper will matter much. Even oil analysis results from Blackstone don't show increased silica between types of air filters.
    oh god..dont go against sarge..sarge knows what he is talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shady milkman View Post
    oh god..dont go against sarge..sarge knows what he is talking about.
    How many people run aftermarket lids? How many will honestly tell you their lid seals 100%? Mine sure didnt. People put tens of thousands of miles on cars that suck unfiltered air through lids that don't seal in the back, ect. How many low LS1 compression complaints or low dyno results tracable to ring-wear have you seen on a stock+lid or stock+ K&N Ls1? I sure haven't seen or heard of any.

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    of course after market lids dont seal 100%..who the hell said that? but hey w/e

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    Quote Originally Posted by stanger88 View Post
    I have a friend who ran a turbo civic for almost 2 years without a filter. It ran the same mid 11's @ 126 when he sold it as when he got it. I doubt K&N vs Paper will matter much. Even oil analysis results from Blackstone don't show increased silica between types of air filters.
    Sure. Go ahead and drive around with no filter. I'll stop and give you a ride into town. Oil analysis does show when you have a filter leak or a filter performing poorly.
    My next door neighbors brother inlaws cousin ran mid 9's and he had four air filters.....so there.
    I cant believe I ran across somebody advocating not running any air filter or even making the statement filters dont do anything. Ahhhh the internet...........

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    http://www.knfilters.com/images/factstab1.gif

    Our J726 trials were conducted at an independent testing facility in the upper midwest. The tests compared Motorvator, K&N, Accel, Fram, and AMSOIL products. The results? AMSOIL proved vastly superior to the competitors' air cleaners as the only air filter to consistently score high marks in all three vital areas of airflow, efficiency and capacity.



    The AMSOIL 2-Stage Air Filter traps airborne dust with 99% efficiency;
    http://texassynthetics.com/articles/bitesthedust.html


    Sooo...who's story do you want to belive? Amsoil "Vastly outperformed" the K&N but in the SAME TEST the K&N had a 99% overall efficiency...asme as the Amsoil. Go figure. They all want to sell you something, pick one and go with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stanger88 View Post
    How many people run aftermarket lids? How many will honestly tell you their lid seals 100%? Mine sure didnt. People put tens of thousands of miles on cars that suck unfiltered air through lids that don't seal in the back, ect. How many low LS1 compression complaints or low dyno results tracable to ring-wear have you seen on a stock+lid or stock+ K&N Ls1? I sure haven't seen or heard of any.
    Son...an engine can shit the bed...and it probably would never be traced at all....mechanics or garage warrior would just over haul it or replace it....not many people triage a blown up engine....however...I will submit most cylinder wear is attributed to oil and never to what is getting into the oil and causing the issue to begin with.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge View Post
    Sure. Go ahead and drive around with no filter. I'll stop and give you a ride into town. Oil analysis does show when you have a filter leak or a filter performing poorly.
    My next door neighbors brother inlaws cousin ran mid 9's and he had four air filters.....so there.
    I cant believe I ran across somebody advocating not running any air filter or even making the statement filters dont do anything. Ahhhh the internet...........
    I never advocated NOT running a filter. My friend is damn lucky he didnt suck a rock up in that motor. Do you know what $$$ it takes to run consistant 11's in a full-interior daily driver civic!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stanger88 View Post
    http://www.knfilters.com/images/factstab1.gif

    Our J726 trials were conducted at an independent testing facility in the upper midwest. The tests compared Motorvator, K&N, Accel, Fram, and AMSOIL products. The results? AMSOIL proved vastly superior to the competitors' air cleaners as the only air filter to consistently score high marks in all three vital areas of airflow, efficiency and capacity.



    The AMSOIL 2-Stage Air Filter traps airborne dust with 99% efficiency;
    http://texassynthetics.com/articles/bitesthedust.html


    Sooo...who's story do you want to belive? Amsoil "Vastly outperformed" the K&N but in the SAME TEST the K&N had a 99% overall efficiency...asme as the Amsoil. Go figure. They all want to sell you something, pick one and go with it.
    Check your facts...two different test friend. One is an ISO test and one is a J test. They are testing for two different things.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by stanger88 View Post
    I never advocated NOT running a filter. My friend is damn lucky he didnt suck a rock up in that motor. Do you know what $$$ it takes to run consistant 11's in a full-interior daily driver civic!?
    No...but I know how much it cost to run consistent high 10's in a full interior 04 GTO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge View Post
    Son...an engine can shit the bed...and it probably would never be traced at all....mechanics or garage warrior would just over haul it or replace it....not many people triage a blown up engine....however...I will submit most cylinder wear is attributed to oil and never to what is getting into the oil and causing the issue to begin with.....
    http://theoildrop.server101.com/foru...4&an=0&page=30

    Seems the issue is highly contested. I will say that the K&N IS NOT as effective as paper, but are the results real, or academic? I say they are academic.

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    Wow! A five year old thread! The filters I recommended at the top of this thread did not even exist. LOL...Patman referenced LS1.com....Silicon levels are real...not academic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge View Post
    Wow! A five year old thread! The filters I recommended at the top of this thread did not even exist. LOL...Patman referenced LS1.com....Silicon levels are real...not academic.
    Yes, so is the 1-2bhp you get from a K&N. If you silicon level is .02% higher, does it really matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stanger88 View Post
    Yes, so is the 1-2bhp you get from a K&N. If you silicon level is .02% higher, does it really matter?
    Yes. When it is avoidable...yes.....but hey...it's your car man....

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    Here...something a little more up to date for young inquisitive minds....yes that's me in the big middle of it
    http://theoildrop.server101.com/foru...e=0#Post740101

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    Sarge-show us a test result for size of particles. That one didn't show that. All I'm saying is that test showed the K+N performing pretty damn good. But admittedly did not discriminate or test for the size of particles that passed through.
    I'm getting ready to hit some sand dunes next weekend in the dunebuggy- I'll be getting a new paper filter for the buggy. But the tow pickup will be running a 14" round K+N -bought it years ago and haven't touched it since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yellowv View Post
    Unless you live in the middle of the desert you should not be cleaning your filter that often. You can over clean them. Your going to ruin it.
    I drive it 100 miles a day and I do live in the country and have a gravel driveway. Believe me I don't overclean it. I tap it out at least weekly and theres a ton of bugs in it every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slims00ls1z28 View Post
    I drive it 100 miles a day and I do live in the country and have a gravel driveway. Believe me I don't overclean it. I tap it out at least weekly and theres a ton of bugs in it every time.
    You are overcleaning it. Unless your running in the sand dunes you shouldn't touch it but every year or so at a rate of 100 miles a day. I drive 100 miles a day too. I never even look at mine. No need to. Although I do have a clear lid You are certainly making it filter worse.

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    Well, I like my K&N, and dont have an issue with it, but here are some LEGITIMATE numbers from a non-affiliated source that show a lot more info than Sarge has posted up (he will like it b/c it calls K&N crap but the Amsoil isnt that great either).

    http://www.duramax-diesel.com/spicer/index.htm

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