How to get quicker throttle response?

**Whiteboycntdnce** · 12-10-2007, 02:03 PM

Whats the best way to get quicker throttle response? ... more power from the stand still?

**BlackLT1Z28** · 12-10-2007, 02:28 PM

I've heard U/D pullies help with the throttle response. Bolt-ons are never a bad thing, and a stall converter will help that launch. Just don't break the rear.

**basballny2** · 12-10-2007, 02:45 PM

Cam Ftw!!!!

**99blueZ** · 12-10-2007, 03:04 PM

better throttle response > ported and polished throttle body!

**blue02Z** · 12-10-2007, 03:56 PM

+1 on the port and polish TB, like day and nite difference. sorta going from a 95 degree day to a 35 degree nite

**TransAm11973** · 12-10-2007, 04:14 PM

does the ported/polish TB really majke that big a difference. I have been debating on whether or not its worth the money. BTW whats it normally run to do that and who does it?

**0rion** · 12-10-2007, 10:27 PM

bend the arm that goes to the back barrels on the carb......oh wait. I thought it was 1979 again.

Ported and polished TB along with an underdrive pulley should get your revs up a little faster. Got an auto? Stall it. It'll get you in the powerband quicker and keep you there.

**Whiteboycntdnce** · 12-11-2007, 02:03 AM

i WISH it was an auto... but I got the M6... I'm going to be installing a G5X3 cam w/ possibly some AFR 205 heads soon.... So I know I'll be picking up some more power, just wanted to get some ideas on how I can get the revs up into the power band a tadddddd quicker!

Ive heard that there are heads out there that produce just under what the AFR's do for a fraction of the price... What direction should I be looking in?

**BlueBomber** · 12-11-2007, 06:26 AM

^Patriot

**9t8z28** · 12-11-2007, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by Whiteboycntdnce

Whats the best way to get quicker throttle response? ... more power from the stand still?

LS6 intake!

**Frost** · 12-11-2007, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by BlueBomber

^Patriot

NO !!!!!!!!

Budget heads make budget HP. 3 out of 4 setups that I have tuned with those heads, the owners are unhappy with the numbers. That is just not the case with an aftermarket head like the AFR or TFS.

**PFM** · 12-11-2007, 10:16 AM

4.11s dude. Rear gear it!

**9t8z28** · 12-11-2007, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Frost

NO !!!!!!!!

Budget heads make budget HP. 3 out of 4 setups that I have tuned with those heads, the owners are unhappy with the numbers. That is just not the case with an aftermarket head like the AFR or TFS.

And why is that?

**ApexVIII** · 12-11-2007, 11:44 AM

PP TB helps alot!

**Ryans99LS1** · 12-11-2007, 12:37 PM

i WISH it was an auto... but I got the M6...

I WISH my car was an M6. Want to trade? not joking either..

**Frost** · 12-12-2007, 03:32 AM

Originally Posted by 9t8z28

And why is that?

why is what? Are you asking why 1200 dollar ported factory heads don't make the numbers that 2400 dollar aftermarket castings do?

Seriously... if you are recc'ing Patriots I can already assume that you haven't seen any or at least more than one set of these on the rollers.

**9t8z28** · 12-12-2007, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by Frost

why is what? Are you asking why 1200 dollar ported factory heads don't make the numbers that 2400 dollar aftermarket castings do?

Seriously... if you are recc'ing Patriots I can already assume that you haven't seen any or at least more than one set of these on the rollers.

I asked you what the difference is and you come back with " Obviously you haven't seen one on the rollers!! "

And I have seen them on the rollers and I do not see a reason to spend 1K more for a few extra ponies! But then again, this is why I asked you because you claim to be a tuner and obviously you know more than me.

Whats you reasons?

and what does "recc'ing" mean?

**Frost** · 12-12-2007, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by 9t8z28

I asked you what the difference is and you come back with " Obviously you haven't seen one on the rollers!! "

And I have seen them on the rollers and I do not see a reason to spend 1K more for a few extra ponies! But then again, this is why I asked you because you claim to be a tuner and obviously you know more than me.

Whats you reasons?

and what does "recc'ing" mean?

I gave the reason for making that post (in the very post) and you asked "why is that"... the rollers comment is because your reply was challenging, and that was an attempt to qualify the comment.
recc'ing = reccommending

The majority of the patriot cars I have tuned will make a few more up top than a stock set, and they usually make less down low and through the middle, which is probably because of the overly large runner volume once hogged out. They are all over the place HP wise, each set is different. I tuned an M6, 224/224 112lsa that made 390rwhp with a set of patriot stg 2 heads. The same car made 435 with a set of AFR 205s that had no additional porting, and the AFRs crushed the Patriots through the curve tq-wise. I don't think I have ever seen more than 1 set of Patriots cross the 410rwhp mark out of a dozen or so, and that car had QTP headers, EWP, g5x3 on 114, ported TB, UD pulley, LS6 intake... and made 432rwhp but like I said, that was the only set. I would expect that setup with the AFRs to cross the 450rwhp mark. The top end of your motor is NOT the place to cheap out. Personally if I were on that much of a budget, I would stick to factory 243 castings. I have seen 243s with that same g5x3 on a 114lsa cross the 430rwhp mark with an ls6 intake and 243s on several occasions, and I once bought a new set of 243s complete for $500 off of a forum.

**TransAm11973** · 12-12-2007, 06:50 AM

ok guys I have heard about PP intakes,...but I just dont see how polishing and taking the opening down a bit it going to make such a big diff that its going to be worth the money,...I need to be schooled I guess. Thanks for your guys input

**9t8z28** · 12-12-2007, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by Frost

I gave the reason for making that post (in the very post) and you asked "why is that"... the rollers comment is because your reply was challenging, and that was an attempt to qualify the comment.
recc'ing = reccommending

The majority of the patriot cars I have tuned will make a few more up top than a stock set, and they usually make less down low and through the middle, which is probably because of the overly large runner volume once hogged out. They are all over the place HP wise, each set is different. I tuned an M6, 224/224 112lsa that made 390rwhp with a set of patriot stg 2 heads. The same car made 435 with a set of AFR 205s that had no additional porting, and the AFRs crushed the Patriots through the curve tq-wise. I don't think I have ever seen more than 1 set of Patriots cross the 410rwhp mark out of a dozen or so, and that car had QTP headers, EWP, g5x3 on 114, ported TB, UD pulley, LS6 intake... and made 432rwhp but like I said, that was the only set. I would expect that setup with the AFRs to cross the 450rwhp mark. The top end of your motor is NOT the place to cheap out. Personally if I were on that much of a budget, I would stick to factory 243 castings. I have seen 243s with that same g5x3 on a 114lsa cross the 430rwhp mark with an ls6 intake and 243s on several occasions, and I once bought a new set of 243s complete for $500 off of a forum.

I asked for evidence, and you have given that. uh, thanks...