Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 26

05' GT vs 02' Z28

This is a discussion on 05' GT vs 02' Z28 within the General Help forums, part of the LSx Technical Help Section category; probably asked before, so don't flame me, I did not find it. Any way, my co-workers all have mustangs. One ...

  1. #1
    02Z
    02Z is offline
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    44

    Red
    02' Z28 M6

    05' GT vs 02' Z28

    probably asked before, so don't flame me, I did not find it. Any way, my co-workers all have mustangs. One of them just traded in his 2003 Auto Mach 1 (gray) in for his 05 Manual GT, he says it is faster than the Mach 1, another has the orange 03' Mach 1 (pending headers and opted to get rather than 03' Cobra??) and lastly one has an 01' Cobra. I thought the 05' GT and the 03' Mach 1's both shared the same engine. The one says the Mach 1 will beat the 01 Cobra and the same now says the 05 will beat them all and the other says the 03 Mach (pending headers will beat them all) Make sense??? My question is.....stock for stock which one would the 02' LS1 M6 beat? Say the LS1, stock dyno'd 301RWHP. I may pull the LS1 out of storage and possibly race the 05' tomorrow. I have a lid, filter, MAF, exhaust...I should smoke him.
    Last edited by 02Z; 03-29-2006 at 03:24 PM.

  2. #2
    Tech Junkie hammertime's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Belleville, IL
    Posts
    400

    Pewter Metallic
    2001 Camaro SS

    All three cars are beatable, especially the GT.

    Stock for stock, it's close when comparing with the '01 Cobra and the Mach, but your Z should have the edge over them if you are a better driver.

    The new '05 4.6 is different from the older ones. Cobra and Mach have 4 valves per cylinder, dual overhead cams. It makes good power, but not as much as the other two. You should take this one easily.
    Hammer - hammertime.us
    2001 Light Pewter Metallic Camaro SS, 6 speed
    K&N, SLP Lid, SLP y-pipe, GMMG cat-back, Lou's Short Stick - more to come!

  3. #3
    Senior Member 02z28ls1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    near St. Louis
    Posts
    1,205

    navy blue
    2002 Z-28 Camaro M6

    Post results!!!!

  4. #4
    Ric
    Ric is offline
    I like the way yew tawlk. Ric's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Blairsville, GA
    Age
    40
    Posts
    215

    Red
    2000 T/A WS6

    You - 3

    Them - 0

    Go race.

  5. #5
    02Z
    02Z is offline
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    44

    Red
    02' Z28 M6

    Quote Originally Posted by Ric
    You - 3

    Them - 0

    Go race.

    Thanks fellas, nothing like a vote of confidence from the brotheren!!! I will post results once we race.

  6. #6
    Member mavrikZ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Logan, Ut
    Posts
    166

    White
    2001 Trans Am

    Money where their mouth is?? Quick $300.

  7. #7
    Member keliente's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Charlotte, NC
    Age
    31
    Posts
    723
    99 Firebird Formula

    You would kill all three of those cars, providing you can drive. They are high-13 low 14 second cars at best.

  8. #8
    AzureMach
    Guest
    There is no such thing as an orange 03 Mach, only made in that color in 04. A 5 speed mach is quicker than a 05 GT and 01 Cobra. If you race a 5 speed Mach it is a drivers race, the other two you will more than likely beat.

  9. #9
    Member Capster78's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Newport News Va
    Age
    38
    Posts
    578

    Silver
    1998 WS6 M6

    your going to have troubble with the Mach 1, and the 05 GT. They both run in the low 13's if properly driven. I still can't belive people on this board don't realize these cars are on par with the LS1's of old.

  10. #10
    Impounded MikeSomething's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Old Bridge, NJ
    Age
    36
    Posts
    1,420

    Pewter Metallic
    '00 Z/28

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78
    your going to have troubble with the Mach 1, and the 05 GT. They both run in the low 13's if properly driven. I still can't belive people on this board don't realize these cars are on par with the LS1's of old.
    Whats the deal w/ the Mach 1??? Are they on par as much as an '03-'04 Cobra w/ stock blowers??? I don't get it...

  11. #11
    Member Capster78's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Newport News Va
    Age
    38
    Posts
    578

    Silver
    1998 WS6 M6

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeSomething
    Whats the deal w/ the Mach 1??? Are they on par as much as an '03-'04 Cobra w/ stock blowers??? I don't get it...
    an 03-04 cobra should be in the mid 12's (12.8-12.6) with a good driver off the factory floor.

  12. #12
    BAD ASS everett's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Georgia
    Age
    26
    Posts
    168

    black
    02 CAMARO SS

    show room floor ####

    well the only one you should worry about is the mach 1
    the modular mach 1s came with 305 hp off the show room floor
    and they can be the equal to the pesky 03-04 cobras
    but if it is stock you will have one hell of a story to tell your grandkids

  13. #13
    Slow'er'Ass Mr. Luos's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Thornton, CO
    Posts
    23,785

    Red Tint Jewelcoat
    2008 Trailblazer SS

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78
    your going to have troubble with the Mach 1, and the 05 GT. They both run in the low 13's if properly driven. I still can't belive people on this board don't realize these cars are on par with the LS1's of old.
    I am glad someone said that.

    The only way you will 'kill' the Mach or the '05 is if they miss a shift or something.
    I think that most of us have modded LS1 cars, which would lead to a minor beating of any of those Mustangs if they are stock. Might be why some of us seem to think you would 'kill' those stangs.

    Driver's race with the '05 and the Mach.
    From a roll I would give the advantage to the LS1 car. A bit more horsepower.
    2008 Trailblazer SS
    Yank PTB3600, Kooks 1 7/8" LT's, 4" intake, E-fans, Magnaflow, Sonnax kit, tranny cooler, tune.
    Lowered, HID's, tinted.

    1999 Pontiac Trans Am WS.6 #1747 SOLD
    531.1 RWHP 481.3 FT/Pounds all motor.

  14. #14
    02Z
    02Z is offline
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    44

    Red
    02' Z28 M6

    [QUOTE=AzureMach]There is no such thing as an orange 03 Mach, only made in that color in 04. A 5 speed mach is quicker than a 05 GT and 01 Cobra. If you race a 5 speed Mach it is a drivers race, the other two you will more than likely beat.[/QUOT

    that was a typo, I know that the 03 cobra did not come in the "mach" orange, at least I have never seen one.

    Have not raced yet, and yes my LS1 is not stock and I am a good driver, I think I will win. My question was geared strictly at stock. I thought that the the stangs RWHP broke down like this.

    01' cobra 280-290 rwhp
    03' mach 1 same or lower
    03' cobra 360-370rwhp....

    02- Z28 300+ rwhp
    Last edited by 02Z; 04-03-2006 at 04:56 AM.

  15. #15
    Tech Junkie hammertime's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Belleville, IL
    Posts
    400

    Pewter Metallic
    2001 Camaro SS

    Quote Originally Posted by 02Z
    01' cobra 280-290 rwhp
    03' mach 1 same or lower
    03' cobra 360-370rwhp....

    02- Z28 300+ rwhp
    You may be just a little optomistic for the 01' Cobra - 272rwhp from this test. Note also, that they clamied the same time for the 98 Camaro SS and the 2001 Cobra.

    This site appears to rate the Mach 1 almost the same, ranging from 270 - 274 for three stock examples. That makes sense, as the engines are pretty much the same (I though there was something different in the valvetrain - I'm sure the Mustang guys will let us know)

    2005 GT's are rated at less power than the other models, in a heavier car. Tests from the same site as above show less rear wheel power to correspond. Don't see it being as fast as the others.

    Image linked from this thread The 98 Trans Am put 292 to the rear wheels. An average '02 LS1 M6 car should do at least that, if not closer to 300.


    I'll stand by my initial claim of "stock for stock" it's a drivers race against the '01 Cobra or the '03 Mach. You should get a couple cars out on the '05 GT.

    Also, if you really want to a good test, put your stock lid, filter and MAF back on there for one last run.

    Good luck and post the results.

  16. #16
    Senior Member Danger731's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2000
    Location
    Indy
    Posts
    6,712
    I couldn't shake a mach 1 from 60 to 100. I had a full car, he was by himself. I got on it but not at full capability. Don't let up at all drive hard and you should edge it.
    04 C5 A4 Torch Red

    2009 CTS4 Ice Black

    2013 1500 Silverado Z71

    02 Z/28 M6 Onyx Black All Options - Sold

  17. #17
    BAD ASS everett's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Georgia
    Age
    26
    Posts
    168

    black
    02 CAMARO SS

    quicky

    well you will beat the 01 cobra but may behind the 03 mach
    i don't know the hp # for the cobra but the mach 1 kickes out 305 hp stock and as for the 05 you will get him off the line cuz they are much heavier so i'd go for a shorter race

  18. #18
    2001 stripper
    Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by hammertime
    You may be just a little optomistic for the 01' Cobra - 272rwhp from this test. Note also, that they clamied the same time for the 98 Camaro SS and the 2001 Cobra.

    This site appears to rate the Mach 1 almost the same, ranging from 270 - 274 for three stock examples. That makes sense, as the engines are pretty much the same (I though there was something different in the valvetrain - I'm sure the Mustang guys will let us know)

    2005 GT's are rated at less power than the other models, in a heavier car. Tests from the same site as above show less rear wheel power to correspond. Don't see it being as fast as the others.

    Image linked from this thread The 98 Trans Am put 292 to the rear wheels. An average '02 LS1 M6 car should do at least that, if not closer to 300.
    Click for full size

    I'll stand by my initial claim of "stock for stock" it's a drivers race against the '01 Cobra or the '03 Mach. You should get a couple cars out on the '05 GT.

    Also, if you really want to a good test, put your stock lid, filter and MAF back on there for one last run.

    Good luck and post the results.

    For comparrison, myt friend dynoed his 98 Z stock and got 275 RWHP. Same Dyno with his 02 Stock was 299 RWHP. Between 998 and 02, reguardless of HP ratings, the LS1 was improved by GM to 15-20 HP.

  19. #19
    2001 stripper
    Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by hammertime
    You may be just a little optomistic for the 01' Cobra - 272rwhp from this test. Note also, that they clamied the same time for the 98 Camaro SS and the 2001 Cobra.

    This site appears to rate the Mach 1 almost the same, ranging from 270 - 274 for three stock examples. That makes sense, as the engines are pretty much the same (I though there was something different in the valvetrain - I'm sure the Mustang guys will let us know)

    2005 GT's are rated at less power than the other models, in a heavier car. Tests from the same site as above show less rear wheel power to correspond. Don't see it being as fast as the others.

    Image linked from this thread The 98 Trans Am put 292 to the rear wheels. An average '02 LS1 M6 car should do at least that, if not closer to 300.
    Click for full size

    I'll stand by my initial claim of "stock for stock" it's a drivers race against the '01 Cobra or the '03 Mach. You should get a couple cars out on the '05 GT.

    Also, if you really want to a good test, put your stock lid, filter and MAF back on there for one last run.

    Good luck and post the results.

    For comparison, my friend dynoed his 98 Z stock and got 275 RWHP. Same Dyno with his 02 Stock was 299 RWHP. Between 998 and 02, reguardless of HP ratings, the LS1 was improved by GM to 15-20 HP. Both cars were auto.

  20. #20
    Senior Member SeVeReDiStOrTiOn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Roseville, CA
    Posts
    8,164

    05 Wrangler
    00 Z28 sold :-(

    Mach and cobra will be a drivers race....05 gt won't be as close but you won't rape him either. I ran a 99 cobra with intake and exhaust....not sure if he had the "good" intake manifold or not, but from a dig and spinning kinda bad on the 2nd gear shift I had a few cars on him to 70 and was pulling pretty hard. I just have light bolt-ons and a auto...so you should be fine. What tires do you have on?

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •