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12-23-2005, 07:38 AM #1
m6 vs a4
stock for stock how much is m6 gonna take an a4 both TAs by? (assuming an average driver)
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12-24-2005, 09:42 PM #2
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A4 should typically win, as it is better at the strip (Usually more consistant). M6's require alot of attention to drive. From a roll, forget about it, an M6 will clean an A4 bad.
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12-25-2005, 08:30 AM #3Originally Posted by Bob'sWS6
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12-25-2005, 03:24 PM #4
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Originally Posted by NE98LS1
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12-25-2005, 04:43 PM #5
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Wrong, M6 is faster unless the driver has virtually no abilities. Standards power loss through the drivetrain is only 17 or 18% as opposed to an automatic which loses 23-24%. Bob you said it yourself you can't get off the line, shifting is easy and anyone can do it, the most important thing is learning to get off the line. When I first got my M6 I had to play catch up just like you say, but now I've had it for almost 5 years and without serious mods an auto can't dream of beating me off the line and they damn sure won't catch me.
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12-25-2005, 06:31 PM #6
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Originally Posted by z_driver1
Shifting ain't easy. Not everyone can do the 2nd to 3rd gear shift perfectly.
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12-25-2005, 06:42 PM #7
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Haha, I feel ya on the 2-3 I used to have so much trouble with that one. It took me a lot longer to get the 2-3 than it did to learn to get off the line. Most guys talk about how great they are in their 6-speed and I wanna laugh when I ride with em. The sad fact is that the average M6 driver is below what should be average before they can talk crap, yet they all think they're the best. My opinion is that if they can't pull off the 2-3 every time they don't deserve to claim any skill whatsoever.
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12-25-2005, 07:33 PM #8Originally Posted by Bob'sWS6
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12-28-2005, 01:52 PM #9
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Originally Posted by z_driver1
While you're 100% correct auto's lose more power, hence why m6's tend to trap higher, but it doesnt mean us a4 guys dont make it.
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12-28-2005, 01:58 PM #10
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US auto guys, come on now I have a 99 A4 and a 97 M6, I love em both. I just try to tell it as far as the facts go and leave any allegiances at home. I don't know how a typical stock A4 runs personally, mine came with 3.23s, but I love it and it has nothing short of impressed me so far. According to the numbers, M6s should dyno less than they do too
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12-28-2005, 02:14 PM #11
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I was merely stating an auto doesn't lose 23-24% (In the case of ls1's/4l60e's). I even agreed with you when you said an auto will lose more power.
No worries, I'm not trying to start an argument. I simply posted that for the unfamiliar ls1 enthusiast. I didn't mean for it to sound like I was trying bash on you.
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12-28-2005, 02:18 PM #12
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I didn't take it that way, you misinterpreted my reply as a misinterpretation of yours, lol
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12-28-2005, 02:22 PM #13
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Its too easy to confuse the tone of someone's voice on the net. Stupid internet.
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12-28-2005, 05:14 PM #14Originally Posted by Bob'sWS6
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12-28-2005, 05:19 PM #15
I am not a trained and certified expert transmission person but if my knowledge serves me right i believe the 4L60E usually looses about 16% and the T56 usually looses about 10-11%. That is why a lot of stock LS1's dyno between 280-290 A4 and between 290-300 M6, then some dyno over 300. It all depends on how your holding your tougue i guess.
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12-28-2005, 10:36 PM #16
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Originally Posted by Street Lethal
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12-29-2005, 12:53 PM #17sleeperstyleGuest
STOCK for stock im giving it to the m6. modified (properly) the auto will be faster - stalled with traction that is.
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12-29-2005, 02:07 PM #18
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Yep yep, not too many people agree with us though. Hard to believe no one agrees considering it's true.
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12-29-2005, 02:21 PM #19
My buddy has an ' 01 SS, nearly identical to mine, except for his A4 vs. my M6. Both cars have lids and cat-back exhausts, nothing more. Results at the track:
A4 got me by .1 at the 60 foot (2.1 vs. 2.2)
M6 matched him by 660'
and at the end of the 1/4
M6 had him by .2 (13.50 vs. 13.30) and 2 mph (105 vs. 107).
All supports the arguments:
1) an auto is (slightly) quicker from a dead stop
2) a manual has less power lost (compare MPH)
3) a well driven manual will (generaly) beat an auto in a drag raceHammer - hammertime.us
2001 Light Pewter Metallic Camaro SS, 6 speed
K&N, SLP Lid, SLP y-pipe, GMMG cat-back, Lou's Short Stick - more to come!
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12-29-2005, 06:31 PM #20
i'm gonna have to settle this myself i guess this summer, there is a kid in town with a m6 ws6 w/ loudmouth exhaust and nothing else. i'm hoping to beat him this summer with a lid, headers, y-pipe, exhaust, and some drag radials, we'll have to see!
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