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12.02 @ 110.24 What do you think?

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    Well my car was all messed up when i took it to the track. I had no tranny fluid and a cracked torque converter along with a bad tune that made my converter unlock after 4500rpms. So with all that factored in, my best run was 13.1 @107 with a 1.9 60ft. Since then ive gotten my trans fixed and a great tune but wont get to track till next year. By then ill be stalled though and hoping for low 12s
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    Quote Originally Posted by tblu92 View Post
    I'm not questioning your honesty about the run--just that i have never seen a stock heads and cam LS1 make that kind of power--when i 1st put my hds and cam in before LT's and tuning i only made 355 RWHP--so my guess would be that something has been done to your engine--as i mentioned i would estimate your RWHP to be in the 320 range with your listed mods

    well i am sorry to say that you can make this power with stock head and cam set up..:_) i have not only seen it done but recently have done it myself. if you go on summitracing.com they have a package for about $2000.00 that will make 350-375 hp. the package includes cat back exhuast, slp ram air and air restrictor plate, diablo tune, 1.8 roller rocker arms, and mass air ( 85mm ). i have also added a 85 mm throttle body. i just had it tuned and the car is making 383 fly wheel hp. & 407 tq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 02.LS1 View Post
    well i am sorry to say that you can make this power with stock head and cam set up..:_) i have not only seen it done but recently have done it myself. if you go on summitracing.com they have a package for about $2000.00 that will make 350-375 hp. the package includes cat back exhuast, slp ram air and air restrictor plate, diablo tune, 1.8 roller rocker arms, and mass air ( 85mm ). i have also added a 85 mm throttle body. i just had it tuned and the car is making 383 fly wheel hp. & 407 tq.
    I'm thinking about a 85mm throttle body can use it with my stock intake and are the 1.8 roller rockers worth buying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fraz1le View Post
    I'm thinking about a 85mm throttle body can use it with my stock intake and are the 1.8 roller rockers worth buying.
    They would gain you some HP and still be bolt-on...I would guess 15 hp? Maybe a bit more? Not 100% sure but it would definately help you with if you are going to try for a bolt-on record

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    Quote Originally Posted by 02.LS1 View Post
    well i am sorry to say that you can make this power with stock head and cam set up..:_) i have not only seen it done but recently have done it myself. if you go on summitracing.com they have a package for about $2000.00 that will make 350-375 hp. the package includes cat back exhuast, slp ram air and air restrictor plate, diablo tune, 1.8 roller rocker arms, and mass air ( 85mm ). i have also added a 85 mm throttle body. i just had it tuned and the car is making 383 fly wheel hp. & 407 tq.
    Thank you !!! My point exactly--If you read the posts we are talking about rear wheel HP---So if you take your Flywheel HP of 383 and subtract 22% if it is an auto. and 12% if it is a manual--you end up with 299 RWHP with an auto and 337 with a manual---I believe he has an auto trans-- With your mods or that Summit kit he would be making only 299 RWHP---No where near the 350 RWHP claimed with stock internals---

    PS: Both '01 & '02 LS1 Camaro's came with STOCK flywheel HP ratings of 310 for a regular model and 325 for a Z or SS model--making the RWHP for an automatic 241 & 253 for the Z or SS---No way you are gonna makee 100 RWHP more without a cam or heads
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    With just headers, exhaust, lid, and a tune my Z28 made 357 RWHP when it was dynoed. Granted it is a M6 but still has 125k on the stock motor. From what I understand the guys who tuned my car were a little surprised at how well the car did but it was not a complete freak and was still in the ballpark for a car like mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tblu92 View Post
    Thank you !!! My point exactly--If you read the posts we are talking about rear wheel HP---So if you take your Flywheel HP of 383 and subtract 22% if it is an auto. and 12% if it is a manual--you end up with 299 RWHP with an auto and 337 with a manual---I believe he has an auto trans-- With your mods or that Summit kit he would be making only 299 RWHP---No where near the 350 RWHP claimed with stock internals---

    PS: Both '01 & '02 LS1 Camaro's came with STOCK flywheel HP ratings of 310 for a regular model and 325 for a Z or SS model--making the RWHP for an automatic 241 & 253 for the Z or SS---No way you are gonna makee 100 RWHP more without a cam or heads
    I have seen a lot of people here the past year or so saying stock F-bodies dyno barely under 300 RWHP....

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    Bone stock (including the lid) and running stock timing mine dyno'd @ 316RWHP...

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    My 99 m6 dynoed 318 to the ground bone stock to the lid. That was with the 883 heads and ls1 intake. I have seen 2 different cars an 01 and 02 put down over 320 bone stock so there few out their but their are a few that are on the other end around 270 so that 50hp difference in the exact same car.

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    having a 50RWHP difference would speak VOLUMES about GM's quality control, id prefer to think that these variances are due to the dyno operator more than anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrickStang37 View Post
    having a 50RWHP difference would speak VOLUMES about GM's quality control, id prefer to think that these variances are due to the dyno operator more than anything else.
    +1 on that. Dynos can vary quite a bit. Mustang dyno, or what? what gear did they run it in? What temperature? Stick shift? Anybody who says a stock LS1 is only 250 RWHP, what about running 13.80s @ 102 MPH like I did with my '98 TA with a 2.73 gear AT, stock, needs to check some facts for power vs weight. Oh yeah, I did a best of 107.3 with an et of 13.3 before my headers...(now a best of 12.89 @ 109.89, gas MPG of over 28!) in my black '00 Too Fast. Can't wait to see what it does with an LS6 intake then a tune, maybe 12.6s?

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    i think, while "personal bests" are cool and make interesting conversation, i like to focus on averages and consistency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bottesini View Post
    With just headers, exhaust, lid, and a tune my Z28 made 357 RWHP when it was dynoed. Granted it is a M6 but still has 125k on the stock motor. From what I understand the guys who tuned my car were a little surprised at how well the car did but it was not a complete freak and was still in the ballpark for a car like mine.
    That is not unreasonanble at all--It still enforces my opinion about 355 RWHP on an A4 on the origianl post--On your car the #'s would be
    STOCK 325
    HDRS 25
    LID 12
    EXHAUST 10
    TUNE 20
    TOTAL 392 Flywheel HP
    Subtracting 12% drivetrain loss for the M6 leaves you with about 345 RWHP

    Now if you had an automatic it would be much less-- somewhere in the 305 RWHP range---AND you car is basically moddded out with bolt-ons--can you see why i don't think 355 without hds or cam is possible on a A4 ???? He would have to make 50 more RWHP with remaining bolts ons--What's left ? underdrive pulley?? Not gonna happen--

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    Quote Originally Posted by tblu92 View Post
    That is not unreasonanble at all--It still enforces my opinion about 355 RWHP on an A4 on the origianl post--On your car the #'s would be
    STOCK 325
    HDRS 25
    LID 12
    EXHAUST 10
    TUNE 20
    TOTAL 392 Flywheel HP
    Subtracting 12% drivetrain loss for the M6 leaves you with about 345 RWHP

    Now if you had an automatic it would be much less-- somewhere in the 305 RWHP range---AND you car is basically moddded out with bolt-ons--can you see why i don't think 355 without hds or cam is possible on a A4 ???? He would have to make 50 more RWHP with remaining bolts ons--What's left ? underdrive pulley?? Not gonna happen--
    The 325 is were you are wrong these cars have more like 350 stock some even more and I said I would guess around 350 it may only be 330 or 340.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fraz1le View Post
    The 325 is were you are wrong these cars have more like 350 stock some even more and I said I would guess around 350 it may only be 330 or 340.
    more like---would guess--may only be---I'm going by the posted GM & Road and Track HP ratings --Variations may occur in dynos that are callibrated dfferently or incorrectly to please unsuspecting customers--
    HP rating from the factory are done by an independent government certified tech--and they say 310/325 for an f-body and 345 for a 97-00 C5 / 350 for a 01-04

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    Quote Originally Posted by tblu92 View Post
    more like---would guess--may only be---I'm going by the posted GM & Road and Track HP ratings --Variations may occur in dynos that are callibrated dfferently or incorrectly to please unsuspecting customers--
    HP rating from the factory are done by an independent government certified tech--and they say 310/325 for an f-body and 345 for a 97-00 C5 / 350 for a 01-04
    since the LS1 in the vette makes 345HP, i dont see why an FBODY LS1 would make much less (probably like 5hp less due to exhaust and intake differences.

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    The differences are the exhaust system, air intake system, throttle body,catalytic converters, EGR system, oil pan, exhaust manifolds,
    camshaft (only different in 98-00) and tune---enough differences to equal the 40 HP or so-

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    the intake in the FBody is pretty efficient for a stock piece and so are the manifolds, hardly any restriction there. Oil pan and egr shouldnt make a difference on power, especially the egr singce the EGR should only be "on" at lower rpms. So youre saying exhaust system and throttle body (<-- again the stock one can support more than 350HP) bare the brunt of the 40HP difference?i dont think so.

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    There is a noticable difference in the exhaust manifolds. Oil pan CAN actually increase power, depending on how the windage is setup. EGR probably doesn't make much difference, unless its routed into the the intake differently than the 98-01 Camaro/Firebird (which actually interrupts airflow). The cam and tune however, can definitely have a big impact.

    Regardless, my bone stock 02 TA puts a major hurt on my cousins '00 vette hardtop - without the juice btw. LOL
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    The 04 gto is listed at 350/350 whats different about it my wifes put down 314 stock that was less than my 99' stock so whats to say the Z's didn't really have 350 and were being under rated so it wouldn't hurt the sales of the vette. I out run a brand new vette in 99 the day I got my car by three cars.

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